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<blockquote data-quote="Spells &amp; Karma" data-source="post: 401354" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>I'm not in the least scientific and not particularly geeky when it comes to concepts such as parallel universes, time travel or whatever, but some of the contradictions are glaring even to me. None of it enough to spoil things, but like you I'd like to think they've been considered and might be explained down the line. Not that I'm holding my breath.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh crikey. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite10" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":oops:" /> I didn't even think of it from the angle of being a name.</p><p></p><p>I stand corrected and I'm sure you're right (even if Spider-Mans is even more comical and ungainly than Spider-Men).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I really appreciated this aspect of the film and thought it did a nice job of covering the pretty huge villain ensemble (this is as close as we've come to the Sinister Six).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Films then were pretty much a one-and-done, with usually three or four films in a franchise (if that), so the landscape was very different. I was OK with the deaths in that context (and even more so the Green Goblin's demise at the end of <em>Spider-Man</em>, as it was so close to his death in the comics) but I also like more serialised narrative and the opportunity to see old favourites again.</p><p></p><p>I'm not a fan of "back from the dead" storylines in general as they can dilute things, so I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about the return of characters we've seen killed. In context, though, I thought NWH did a nice job with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The character was probably in his twenties when I was a regular reader, so I'd have been fine with an older Spider-Man in general. But not for the eras covered in the films. Tobey in particular always looked far too grown up. I hadn't actually realised Andrew was even older in his first time. He's got a more youthful vibe, so I suppose I just accepted him on face value.</p><p></p><p>Strange to think that Tom is now entering that same age bracket.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While he's the furthest away from how I envisage the character in terms of appearance, when it comes to the <em>reading</em> of the character Tobey is also the one whose Peter's always worked best for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I share your view on his Spider-Man, which was great fun. From memory, the bigger issue for me was that he seemed a little too cocky and confident as Peter Parker, but it wasn't a deal breaker.</p><p></p><p>I've probably mentioned this before, but I feel I've yet to see the definitive Peter Parker/Spider-Man on screen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd have to agree with you on all counts. I certainly thought he looked pretty perfect for it when I saw pictures of him. These are the reasons I really should be embracing his performance, but there's just something about him I can't get on board with.</p><p></p><p>I'm just never able to forget that he's giving a performance or feigning an American accent, and he frequently feels like he's trying too hard to be funny or cute or whatever a particular moment requires, and there were a few moments in NWH where I found myself tutting with irritation (one being when he "did" comedy delivery in a line to Doc Ock on the bridge about his tentacles. Another being him sticking his tongue out when concentrating).</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen the actor in anything else, so I can only judge him on this performance which just doesn't work for me. I'm sure I'm in a small minority, so I can't say he was miscast. But I just don't enjoy watching him. It hopefully says a lot, though, that I've still thoroughly enjoyed all three solo <em>Spider-Man</em> films in the MCU despite this .</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh Lord. Of course. How could I forget the most significant event (probably) in the entire history of the franchise.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for the clarification. Having seen most of the films once each, I wasn't sure. Without any kind of indication, it's natural to assume it's happened, in the same way any Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered or any Clark Kent was sent from Krypton.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I couldn't agree more. Seeing him scraping by while renting a small apartment where he has to hand wash his suit (without all the silly Iron Spider tech that makes it appear and disappear at will and animates the eyes) is my kind of Spidey. I'm really hoping for a far more grounded Spider-Man from here on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is probably the point where I'll start doing the same (whenever I resume).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd say they're two of the hottest properties a superhero film could feature so I'm sure it will be huge. And based on the last couple I'm sure there will be Easter eggs galore for MCU fans and old-time comic readers alike.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spells & Karma, post: 401354, member: 23"] I'm not in the least scientific and not particularly geeky when it comes to concepts such as parallel universes, time travel or whatever, but some of the contradictions are glaring even to me. None of it enough to spoil things, but like you I'd like to think they've been considered and might be explained down the line. Not that I'm holding my breath. Oh crikey. :oops: I didn't even think of it from the angle of being a name. I stand corrected and I'm sure you're right (even if Spider-Mans is even more comical and ungainly than Spider-Men). I really appreciated this aspect of the film and thought it did a nice job of covering the pretty huge villain ensemble (this is as close as we've come to the Sinister Six). Yes. Films then were pretty much a one-and-done, with usually three or four films in a franchise (if that), so the landscape was very different. I was OK with the deaths in that context (and even more so the Green Goblin's demise at the end of [I]Spider-Man[/I], as it was so close to his death in the comics) but I also like more serialised narrative and the opportunity to see old favourites again. I'm not a fan of "back from the dead" storylines in general as they can dilute things, so I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about the return of characters we've seen killed. In context, though, I thought NWH did a nice job with it. The character was probably in his twenties when I was a regular reader, so I'd have been fine with an older Spider-Man in general. But not for the eras covered in the films. Tobey in particular always looked far too grown up. I hadn't actually realised Andrew was even older in his first time. He's got a more youthful vibe, so I suppose I just accepted him on face value. Strange to think that Tom is now entering that same age bracket. While he's the furthest away from how I envisage the character in terms of appearance, when it comes to the [I]reading[/I] of the character Tobey is also the one whose Peter's always worked best for me. I share your view on his Spider-Man, which was great fun. From memory, the bigger issue for me was that he seemed a little too cocky and confident as Peter Parker, but it wasn't a deal breaker. I've probably mentioned this before, but I feel I've yet to see the definitive Peter Parker/Spider-Man on screen. I'd have to agree with you on all counts. I certainly thought he looked pretty perfect for it when I saw pictures of him. These are the reasons I really should be embracing his performance, but there's just something about him I can't get on board with. I'm just never able to forget that he's giving a performance or feigning an American accent, and he frequently feels like he's trying too hard to be funny or cute or whatever a particular moment requires, and there were a few moments in NWH where I found myself tutting with irritation (one being when he "did" comedy delivery in a line to Doc Ock on the bridge about his tentacles. Another being him sticking his tongue out when concentrating). I haven't seen the actor in anything else, so I can only judge him on this performance which just doesn't work for me. I'm sure I'm in a small minority, so I can't say he was miscast. But I just don't enjoy watching him. It hopefully says a lot, though, that I've still thoroughly enjoyed all three solo [I]Spider-Man[/I] films in the MCU despite this . Oh Lord. Of course. How could I forget the most significant event (probably) in the entire history of the franchise. Thanks for the clarification. Having seen most of the films once each, I wasn't sure. Without any kind of indication, it's natural to assume it's happened, in the same way any Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered or any Clark Kent was sent from Krypton. I couldn't agree more. Seeing him scraping by while renting a small apartment where he has to hand wash his suit (without all the silly Iron Spider tech that makes it appear and disappear at will and animates the eyes) is my kind of Spidey. I'm really hoping for a far more grounded Spider-Man from here on. This is probably the point where I'll start doing the same (whenever I resume). I'd say they're two of the hottest properties a superhero film could feature so I'm sure it will be huge. And based on the last couple I'm sure there will be Easter eggs galore for MCU fans and old-time comic readers alike. [/QUOTE]
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