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Any fans out there?

I first saw him in his Oscar-nominated role as Arnie in WHAT'S EATING GILBERT GRAPE? (1993, with Johnny Depp) and he was soooo convincing that I thought they'd hired a little mentally-challenged kid who could read lines -- imagine my surprise when I found out I was the one who was mentally-challenged and that it was just little Leonardo DiCaprio, a normal actor with a supernormal ability (and, one suspects, a wee dash of Asperger's). The editor said there wasn't a single foot of coverage on Leo that they couldn't use.

DiCaprio would say he wound up in every role River Phoenix, whom he adored, was up for -- especially after he (Phoenix) died, and died only hours after DiCaprio almost met him at a Hallowe'en party. Said Leo later: "At a party in Silver Lake, I saw (River) walk up a flight of stairs. It was almost like something you would see in 'Vertigo', because I saw there was something in his face, and I’d never met him — always wanted to meet him, always wanted to just have an encounter with him — and he was walking toward me and I kind of froze. And then the crowd got in my way, and I looked back and he was gone.” After Phoenix vanished in the crowd, DiCaprio didn’t give up, “I walked back up the stairs and back down, and I was like, ‘Where did he go?’ And he was . . . on his way to The Viper Room.

DiCaprio has been pretty busy ever since.

DiCaprio has appeared in THIS BOY'S LIFE, THE BASKETBALL DIARIES, TOTAL ECLIPSE (near-perfect zodiacal casting for Rimbaud, btw, hence the title), and an obscure little independent art-house picture called TITANIC that nobody saw. As well as GANGS OF NEW YORK, THE AVIATOR, BLOOD DIAMOND, SHUTTER ISLAND, INCEPTION, DJANGO UNCHAINED, THE WOLF OF WALL STREET, THE REVENANT (where he finally got his Oscar for Best Actor), ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD and, just last year, KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON. And many others.

Frankly, I've got to catch up on some of them.

He works a lot with Martin Scorsese, as everybody knows. DiCaprio also co-produces a ton of stuff I wasn't aware he was involved in, and he's done so for the last twenty years.

Horoscopically, for those paying attention, DiCaprio is almost the perfect character-actor/leading-man blend -- he's Sun in Scorpio/Moon in Libra (the inimitable savant part) but also a Libra Rising (the dapper leading man astrologic component of them all) with those piercing blues. And the fellow seems to be extremely alert.

Among many other unique talents, no one screams and cries and shrieks with such unfiltered, unfettered, unaffected abandon like Leonardo DiCaprio -- the man has no fear of embarrassing or humiliating himself at all.

Which is how it should be.

Reportedly, he dates a lot of hot, younger models.
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He was great as Mr. CANDIE. Maybe there's a future as a Bond villain?

I'm 10 years behind in my DiCaprio movies, mostly his later ones (but I'm also way behind in films overall and may never catch up).

I used to go to all of the Leo movies, but I've yet to see:

DJANGO UNCHAINED (too many "N-words")
THE WOLF OF WALL STREET
THE REVENANT
ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD (I'm just not a Tarantino kinda guy)
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I want to see ROMEO + JULIET

Prime has SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE. Is that a good film?

I've seen both -- and, weirdly, I don't remember much about either. (DiCaprio's not in the latter). But it was the '90s. And I only saw them once.

Here's an MTV interview with Leo in 1995 in Paris (back then. he always came off as an hyperactive little lesbian). At 6:20, he's asked about INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE -- he went out for it, was turned down for Lestat (a role he would have been perfect for, going by Anne Rice's original book) because cynical creepazoid David Geffen, the producer, wanted more traditional box-office leading men for the film, and hired Tom Cruise (I don't dislike Cruise as an actor, but he was badly miscast and ruined the role of Lestat).

Leo seemed to know, even at this age, to say less than more about it.

Interestingly, River Phoenix (Leo's idol) was originally brought in to play one of the two leads in VAMPIRE (and his shattered widower performance in Sam Shepard's not-entirely-successful SLIENT TONGUE shows Phoenix could have been an exquisitely tortured Louis) but he was pushed down into the secondary role of The Interviewer due to rumors of River's increasing "unreliability" (i.e., the drug thing) and the role was assumed by Christian Slater (who did not want to do it) after River Phoenix died. So Brad Pitt took the role of Louis (although he might've been better as Lestat, if anything). And DiCaprio, had he been hired for the film, probably wouldn't have seemed a likely victimizer of the decade-older Brad Pitt.

None of that was going to happen anyway. Geffen wanted the pretty-boy casting of Cruise & Pitt. And that's what he got. Movie destroyed.

Yes, yes, Anne Rice eventually did a 180 and publicly condoned the final product, the completed film, after months of deriding the production -- and the casting of Cruise -- in the press. Did they cut her an additional check and/or threaten to sue her if she didn't change her tune about the movie during her interviews in the media? Because she was right the first time.

 

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DiCaprio also went out for the role of Dirk Diggler in BOOGIE NIGHTS (1997) but Marky Mark Wahlberg got the role after telling director Paul Thomas Anderson that, "I've got an inch on Leo..."!!

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THE WOLF OF WALL STREET
I feel this was his best performance so far.

DJANGO UNCHAINED
Too long and drawn out for me, and to be honest it made me very uncomfortable at times given the subject matter.

THE REVENENT
Couldn’t grasp it at all. Definitely made me afraid of bears for the rest of my life.

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD (I'm just not a Tarantino kinda guy)
I enjoyed it but no one I know agrees with me. He was sensational in this as well.

KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON
Haven’t seen it yet

Shutter Island, The Departed and Inception were also some of my favorite performances of his.
 

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I like how it revolved around the Manson murders, specifically Sharon Tate’s backstory. Most people I know say it was a very boring movie but I disagree. It is a little slow moving but I found the story kind of fascinating.

Interesting. I'm not a huge Tarantino guy, but I've rarely heard one of his films called "boring" or "slow-moving" -- so that's interesting.

Have you read "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill? (It pretty much obliterates Helter Skelter convincingly).
 

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he's asked about INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE -- he went out for it, was turned down for Lestat (a role he would have been perfect for, going by Anne Rice's original book)
I am so, so very happy that Leo wasn't in it.
The film (and the story) is beyond bad, but Brad Pitt arguably made it even worse.

I like how it revolved around the Manson murders
I don't remember this but then again I didn't watch all of it because....well, I also don't remember what made me stop.

Too long and drawn out for me, and to be honest it made me very uncomfortable at times given the subject matter.
I love DJANGO but I cheated and watched it in two (maybe three) installments, like a mini-series.
 

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I guess I'm a Leo fan. I have followed his career since 1994 when a friend of mine wanted us to watch a rerun of Growing Pains because it had this really cute guy in it that she had a crush on. Yep Leo DiCaprio played Luke on the show's final season. I guess they needed someone younger to pull in the teenage girl audience after Kirk Carmeron had hit 20.

Anyway I have watched almost all of Leo's movies but my interest has faded some in the past couple of years. I must confess I had no clue he was in Killers of the Flower Moon and the last Leo movie I tried to watch I never finished. It was Don't look up (2021) and I was too jetlagged to keep up with the plot.

When we did movie top ten in 2016 I listed my favorite Leo movies as:

1. Titanic (1997)
2. Blood Diamond (2006)
3. Revolutionary Road (2008)
4. Catch Me If You Can (2002)
5. Romeo + Juliett (1996)
6. Shutter Island (2010)
7. What's Eating Gilbert Grape (1993)
8. The Aviator (2004)
9. Body of Lies (2008)
10. J. Edgar (2011)

It's still pretty accurate. I might replace Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (2019) against Body of Lies though.
 

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am so, so very happy that Leo wasn't in it.
The film (and the story) is beyond bad, but Brad Pitt arguably made it even worse.

Yeah, not everybody agrees that the book was the finest example of contemporary literature -- I read it once, and I don't remember much of it.

Who knows how much better the movie might've been had DiCaprio been in it -- he certainly wanted to do it (and Anne Rice liked him as well).

Pitt is a limited actor, but Cruise was worse here. Incorrectly hired to play the tortured Louis, Pitt might've have been better cast as predatory Lestat -- and Tom Cruise simply not been there at all.

I never heard Rice complain about the script, because she wrote that, too.
 

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Don't look up (2021)
Yeah. It's not a bad film but it should have been made at least 10 years earlier.
Kicking the topic when it's down, preaching to the choir - it can seriously hurt the experience when it looks like the film has missed the boat.
I felt the same when I rewatched NETWORK last year. It still looked great but I couldn't believe that mid-seventies gullibility anymore. Ideally, it should have come out before EASY RIDER.
I guess Faye Dunaway would still have that bizarre, late-sixties grey-blonde hair but she would have nailed the role anyway.
and Tom Cruise simply not been there at all.
Interesting.
I feel Tom Cruise has been miscast in almost all of his roles (except for MAGNOLIA) but I could never explain to myself why.
Maybe the answer is because he never played a vampire so perhaps that was the only good thing about INTERVIEW.
Not that I am such a die-hard vampire fan (it's an embarrassingly overcooked genre, imo) but Tom Cruise has the perfect mouth for it.
(and now I feel like giving EYES WIDE SHUT a second chance, while I should be giving INCEPTION a second chance).
 

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Interesting. I'm not a huge Tarantino guy, but I've rarely heard one of his films called "boring" or "slow-moving" -- so that's interesting.
That seems to be what most of the critics had to say about it but I certainly didn’t feel that way. It may have felt slow moving at times but after seeing the entire movie it seemed well worth it in the end.


Have you read "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill? (It pretty much obliterates Helter Skelter convincingly).
I haven’t read it but it’s definitely on my list. I’m sure something like that would hold my interest.


I don't remember this but then again I didn't watch all of it because....well, I also don't remember what made me stop.
You may have been one of the many people that just didn’t like it from what you saw or didn’t see it going anywhere. Like all Tarantino movies it’s a few separate stories, and separate lives, that somehow find a way to intersect at the end, and I’ve always found that part of his storytelling fascinating.


I love DJANGO but I cheated and watched it in two (maybe three) installments, like a mini-series.
Well, I can definitely see why because it was the longest night I’ve ever spent in a movie theater.
 

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Interesting.
I feel Tom Cruise has been miscast in almost all of his roles (except for MAGNOLIA) but I could never explain to myself why.
Maybe the answer is because he never played a vampire so perhaps that was the only good thing about INTERVIEW.
Not that I am such a die-hard vampire fan (it's an embarrassingly overcooked genre, imo) but Tom Cruise has the perfect mouth for it.
(and now I feel like giving EYES WIDE SHUT a second chance, while I should be giving INCEPTION a second chance).

For the Most Successful Movie Star Ever, Tom Cruise is a weird blend of pinched over-earnestness and repetitively dull angsty-ness. He's an icon, to be sure, and some of his performances are competent (more or less).

You can see even on the face of it (even with those teeth) that he's a mess of multiple frustrations; he's moderately intelligent (as all real stars are) and obviously very focused (on whatever he focuses on) but there's something just exhausting about him, either in his roles or in interviews.

I don't think it's much fun to be inside Tom's head. It's probably even less fun to be outside Tom's head and just a few feet away from it.

Most people in the business don't like him; they respect his obvious "success" and stature, but he's so neurotically controlling that no one can really be comfortable around him.

Cher said he was "adorable" during their brief affair ~40 years ago.

I knew an L.A. bartender who confirmed his marriage to Nicole Kidman was absolutely for show, and for the reasons you all suspect: Scientology wanted it (until it didn't) and both had secrets they felt needed to be obscured.

But most of the salacious gossip about Cruise is actually anti-salacious in nature: there have long been whispers about -- ermmm --- physical dysfunction, no matter the genders of the partners. So no wonder he always seems so stressed.

I agree Cruise was well-cast in MAGNOLIA, giving him the kind of choice character role he rarely gets, but I couldn't sit through the movie -- and I mostly like P.T. Anderson's work.

You may have been one of the many people that just didn’t like it from what you saw or didn’t see it going anywhere. Like all Tarantino movies it’s a few separate stories, and separate lives, that somehow find a way to intersect at the end, and I’ve always found that part of his storytelling fascinating.

One of the numerous reasons Tarantino doesn't really work for me, particularly when he does historically fact-based stories, is that he thinks it's charmingly creative to, at the final moment of the film, suddenly inject a ridiculous explanation/wrap-up just to startle the audience (who hopefully realize it's a con). Like Santa Claus' martian elves conquering the nazis at the end of INGLORIOUS BASTARDS -- but then, it's been so long that I've seen that one, I may be mis-remembering things.

Don't Leo and Brad wind up committing the murders in HOLLYWOOD? I haven't yet seen it.

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Actually, Tarantino didn't read O'Neill's 'Chaos' until after his movie was in the can, but he was so impressed with it that Quentin called O'Neill to discuss it at length and then went on Joe Rogan's huge podcast to discuss the book enthusiastically, helping sales immeasurably (with Tom O'Neill himself eventually going on Rogan's show, which helped even more). It took O'Neill 20 years to write it, after it started out as a mere magazine fluff piece in 1999.

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One of the numerous reasons Tarantino doesn't really work for me, particularly when does historically fact-based stories, is that he thinks it's charmingly creative to, at the final moment of the film, suddenly inject a ridiculous explanation/wrap-up just to startle the audience (who hopefully realize it's a con).
Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I have shaken my head at his endings more than once. That shocking, over the top, total switcheroo cartoon ending isn’t always needed but it seems to be something he enjoys doing, just to mess with us perhaps? I do admire his creativity though, although I know many don’t necessarily find that style very creative after awhile.


Like Santa Claus' martian elves conquering the nazis at the end of INGLORIOUS BASTARDS -- but then, it's been so long that I've seen that one, I may be mis-remembering things.
You know, the funny thing is I love that movie. It’s one of my favorites of his but I hate the ending with a passion. Perfect example of what you said above about his style.

I think you might be misremembering the ending just a tad though, but your point is still valid.


Don't Leo and Brad wind up committing the murders in HOLLYWOOD? I haven't yet seen it.
I really don’t want to spoil anything for you if you haven’t seen it. I’ll just say that it is the typical Tarantino movie including the typical Tarantino what did I just see ending and was that real? Regardless, I did find it highly entertaining. I watched it a second time a couple of days later just to make sure I wasn’t losing it and I enjoyed it again. Actually I think it’s one of those films that needs to be watched twice. It’s a lot to take in. Dicaprio is terrific in this, not his best performance but still close to what you would expect.
 
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