Hillary Clinton explains why she really lost to Trump

[SueEllenRules!]

Hillary Clinton Explains Why She Really Lost to Trump
In her first interview since the election, the former Democratic presidential candidate cited Russian meddling, FBI Director James Comey's involvement toward the end of the race, WikiLeaks theft of emails from her campaign chairman, and misogyny.

• Almost four months after her stunning defeat, Hillary Clinton on Thursday primarily blamed her loss to President Donald Trump on four factors that were beyond her control.
• The former Democratic presidential candidate cited Russian meddling in the election, FBI Director James Comey's involvement toward the end of the race, WikiLeaks theft of emails from her campaign chairman, and misogyny.
• Clinton’s comments came during her first post-election interview at Tina Brown’s eighth annual Women in the World Summit in New York City. She was questioned by Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times.
• She largely cited these factors for her defeat:

- Russia. "A foreign power meddled with our election," she said, labeling it "an act of aggression." She called for an independent, bipartisan investigation into the Kremlin's involvement and said the probe should examine whether there was collusion with the Trump campaign.

- Misogyny. "Certainly, misogyny played a role. That has to be admitted," she said. Clinton added that "some people — women included — had real problems" with the idea of a woman president.

- Comey. Clinton cited as damaging to her campaign his unusual decision to release a letter on October 28, less than two weeks before Election Day, that said he was looking at additional emails related to the FBI probe of the former secretary of state's use of a private server.

- WikiLeaks. Weeks of disclosures of stolen emails from the personal account of then-Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, were particularly harmful, Clinton said, adding that it "played a much bigger role than I think many people yet understand."

• She said the combination of Comey's actions and the WikiLeaks' revelations "had the determinative effect.”
• About her own role, she said, "There were things I could have done better."
• While Clinton said there were “lots of contributing factors” to her failure to secure the nation’s highest office, she called Russia’s interference the “weaponization of information.”
• “I didn’t fully understand how impactful that was and so it created doubts in people,” Clinton said. “But then the Comey letter coming as it did — just 10 days before the election — really raised questions in a lot of people.”
• Two days before the election, Comey announced that none of the emails would lead to criminal charges — leaving in place the FBI's determination from July. Officials told NBC News that nearly all of the emails were duplicates of emails that had been examined already.
• Kristof also asked Clinton about Trump.
• “I don’t understand the commitment to hurt so many people that this administration, this White House, seems to be pursuing,” Clinton said, pointing to the immigration ban, the slashing of U.S. funding for the UN Population Fund, and the failed health care bill.
• “What they did or tried to do on the health care bill, which I will confess to this — having listened to them talking about repeal and replace for 8 years, or 7 years now, and they had not a clue what that meant," she said. "They had no idea. I don’t know that any of them had ever even read the bill.”
• Clinton, who is writing a book that she said would examine her defeat last year, said she doubted she would ever seek public office again.
• "Devastating," was how she described her loss.

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[Angela Channing]

I agree with her 4 reasons. I would add a fifth though, her failure to connect with disillusioned voters but that could have partly been cause by the 4 reasons she gave.

 

[Frank Underwood]

In her first interview since the election, the former Democratic presidential candidate cited Russian meddling, FBI Director James Comey's involvement toward the end of the race, WikiLeaks theft of emails from her campaign chairman, and misogyny.

She waited this long to tell us what her supporters have been claiming for the past five months? I'm going to break down her claims one by one:

"Russian meddling." - Ironic, since Russian meddling consisted of exposing DNC meddling. The idea that they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they were hacked is asinine.

"FBI Director James Comey's involvement towards the end of the race." - I've yet to hear someone cite this as a reason for not voting for Hillary. Except maybe right wingers who wouldn't have voted for her anyway.

"Wikileaks theft of emails from her campaign chairman." - Which contained such tidbits as Hillary having a "private and public" position on the issues, further demonstrating that she can't be trusted.

"Misogyny." - Like all of those "misogynist" Jill Stein voters. And I'm sure the 77,744 votes that cost her the election all came down to misogyny and not the fact that she ignored the swing states.

I'm so glad we finally have an objective and unbiased source to explain why Hillary lost the election. I guess it's time to concede and admit her supporters have been right all along!

I agree with her 4 reasons. I would add a fifth though, her failure to connect with disillusioned voters but that could have partly been cause by the 4 reasons she gave.

Failure to connect with disillusioned voters, failed neoliberal policies, a campaign based on how bad Trump was as opposed to why her policies were good, etc.

She won the popular vote by three million, so I highly doubt that misogyny was a contributing factor in her losing the election. And while Russian hacking is bad, Democrats can't hide from their actions because of it.

 

[SueEllenRules!]

She waited this long to tell us what her supporters have been claiming for the past five months?

Yes, if Trump isn't careful, he'll be almost as contemptible as she is.

I'm going to break down her claims one by one:

Somehow I knew you would.

"Russian meddling." - Ironic, since Russian meddling consisted of exposing DNC meddling. The idea that they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they were hacked is asinine.

So you support interference by a foreign power in our elections?

"FBI Director James Comey's involvement towards the end of the race." - I've yet to hear someone cite this as a reason for not voting for Hillary. Except maybe right wingers who wouldn't have voted for her anyway.

You can state definitively that Comey's actions had no impact on the outcome of the election, but Bernie would've been the Democratic nominee if not for DNC meddling?

"Wikileaks theft of emails from her campaign chairman." - Which contained such tidbits as Hillary having a "private and public" position on the issues, further demonstrating that she can't be trusted.

Three cheers for email theft.

"Misogyny." - Like all of those "misogynist" Jill Stein voters.

Who said Jill Stein voters were misogynistic? Misguided, perhaps, unless their intent was to put Trump in the White House. But not necessarily misogynistic.

And I'm sure the 77,744 votes that cost her the election all came down to misogyny and not the fact that she ignored the swing states.

I'm so glad we finally have an objective and unbiased source to explain why Hillary lost the election.

As opposed to you?

I guess it's time to concede and admit her supporters have been right all along!

Or you can continue your personal vendetta against the rotten b!tch. Some people deny the Holocaust, too.

Failure to connect with disillusioned voters, failed neoliberal policies, a campaign based on how bad Trump was as opposed to why her policies were good, etc.

She won the popular vote by three million, so I highly doubt that misogyny was a contributing factor in her losing the election.

Obama won 45% of men in 2012; Hillary won only 41% (Romney and Trump won a consistent fraction of male voters: 52% each). The female vote for the Democratic candidate, on the other hand, was much more consistent: 55% Obama in 2012 versus 54% Hillary. Trump, however, lost the female vote by a larger percentage: 44% Romney versus 41% Trump. Women were apparently somewhat more offended by his "grab 'em by the p***y" moment than men, who apparently gravitated to it, if anything. They certainly weren't fazed by it. In any event, you do the math: if not misogyny, explain why Hillary lost the male vote by 4% more than Obama, while maintaining the female vote?

And while Russian hacking is bad, Democrats can't hide from their actions because of it.

Putin's candidate of choice was successfully installed in the U.S. presidency and your response is essentially 'oh, well?'

 

[Frank Underwood]

Yes, if Trump isn't careful, he'll be almost as contemptible as she is.

Huh? What does that have to do with pointing out that her supporters have been making these claims since the election?

Somehow I knew you would.

Considering this is a message board where people give their opinions, I'd say that was an astute observation.

So you support interference by a foreign power in our elections?

A quick browse through the archives will show that's clearly not the case. I've condemned Russian hacking many times, but it doesn't mean the information contained in those emails is now irrelevant.

You can state definitively that Comey's actions had no impact on the outcome of the election, but Bernie would've been the Democratic nominee if not for DNC meddling?

Definitively? No. But most of the progressives I talk to and listen to haven't said anything about Comey influencing their vote.

I also can't say definitively that Bernie would have won the nomination if not for DNC meddling. But when they do that sort of thing, as well as leaking debate questions to their candidate of choice, it is blatant cheating. But the people who are most vocal about Russian interference don't seem to care about DNC interference. Could it be because most of them supported Hillary Clinton, and didn't want Bernie to be the nominee?

It's like Debbie Wasserman Schultz saying that the Democratic Party is a grass roots party, and then a video surfaces of her saying that unpledged delegates are in place to keep out grass roots activists. Total phonies.

Three cheers for email theft.

Three cheers for telling the public one thing, and your donors another. But it's only lying if you get caught, right? Oops...

I don't condone email theft, but since when do two wrongs make a right? You constantly imply that since the information was obtained through Russian interference, it absolves Hillary and the DNC of any wrong doing.

Who said Jill Stein voters were misogynistic? Misguided, perhaps, unless their intent was to put Trump in the White House. But not necessarily misogynistic.

I see. So I'm misguided, but not a misogynist. But the blue collar workers who were ignored in the rust belt? All misogynists. I'm glad the people who lost the election have now shown me the light.

As opposed to you?

I'm saying what most people outside of the Democratic establishment bubble are saying. They're not going to take responsibility for their failures. They're going to continue blaming everybody but themselves.

Or you can continue your personal vendetta against the rotten b!tch. Some people deny the Holocaust, too.

I'm not the one in denial. Like most progressives, my vendetta is against neoliberalism. If I wanted to vote for a party of war mongers, Wall Street supporters, and private insurance supporters, I'd vote Republican.

Wow, you captured Hillary's attitude towards progressives, millennials, and the working class all in one gif!

Obama won 45% of men in 2012; Hillary won only 41% (Romney and Trump won a consistent fraction of male voters: 52% each). The female vote for the Democratic candidate, on the other hand, was much more consistent: 55% Obama in 2012 versus 54% Hillary. Trump, however, lost the female vote by a larger percentage: 44% Romney versus 41% Trump. Women were apparently somewhat more offended by his "grab 'em by the p***y" moment than men, who apparently gravitated to it, if anything. They certainly weren't fazed by it. In any event, you do the math: if not misogyny, explain why Hillary lost the male vote by 4% more than Obama, while maintaining the female vote?

I believe her failure to connect with white working class males in states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan had more to do with it. Even Hillary supporters like Michael Moore have acknowledged this.

Putin's candidate of choice was successfully installed in the U.S. presidency and your response is essentially 'oh, well?'

Am I supposed to feel sorry for a party that was conspiring behind closed doors to screw over the progressive candidate? Am I supposed to be happy about Hillary's "private and public" positions?

I don't condone a foreign government hacking into emails, but I'm also not going to pretend I'm disappointed to have that kind of transparency.