How are we feeling America?

[bmasters9]

I'm sure some people are convinced that a Trump victory is the outcome I was hoping for.

Not me-- I didn't want it either, and I'm worried that he'll make this one the last election (as he has said he's gonna do).

 

[Frank Underwood]

News flash: Trump is going to win.

It's official now. Trump needed 270 electoral votes to win, and he's currently at 277. Game over.

Trump's only the second person elected to two non-consecutive presidential terms (the last one was Grover Cleaveland in 1892.)

Not me-- I didn't want it either, and I'm worried that he'll make this one the last election (as he has said he's gonna do).

I understand the fear people have, but I don't think it will happen. Eliminating presidential term limits isn't simple, and I think most Republicans wouldn't want the blowback.

 

[bmasters9]

One other fear I have is that this (WNBC News 4 New York from 1984, actual news during the time of the Reagan/Mondale election) will be even more considered "fake news," and that right-wing media (FOX, OANN, etc.) will be the only thing allowed...

 

[Angela Channing]

I'm sure some people are convinced that a Trump victory is the outcome I was hoping for.

By "some people" I'm guessing you mean me. Well, you made it clear that you wanted Kamala Harris to lose and seeing as Trump was the only viable candidate in the race that could have beaten him, why isn't it the outcome you hoped for?

Last time Trump was POTUS you spent significantly more of your energy on this forum criticising the Democrats, ignoring a lot of the awful things the pussy-grabbing rapist was saying and doing and often gaving him a free pass for things that you would criticise the Democrats for. It's easy to see why "some people" would think you are happy with the election result.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Yes, Trump is currently just 3 electoral votes away from securing the win. He's currently winning the popular vote by over 5 million votes as well, which I didn't expect.

I'm sure this will convince certain people that America is a racist and sexist country. Dems and their supporters always learn the wrong lessons. The fact is most Americans don't want to return to the George W. Bush era. Harris bragged about being endorsed by neocons and did campaign events with Liz Cheney, while progressives were told once again to kick rocks. Why do Dems continue to believe that's a winning strategy? The only reason Biden won in 2020 was because of Trump's mishandling of Covid, but we're in a new era of increasing economic hardships, escalating wars, and a border crisis. Not surprisingly, Harris was unable to convince people that she would solve these problems.

I'm sure some people are convinced that a Trump victory is the outcome I was hoping for. However, the real reason I'm so critical of Democrats is because I saw this coming. If the Dems returned to their anti-war roots and renewed their commitment to helping the poor and the working class, they would likely be winning decisively right new. Sadly, they became a party of wealthy elites and the military industrial complex. How anybody can still believe that the Dems haven't become completely corrupted is beyond me.

Of course, Trump is just as terrible when it comes to serving Israel and wealthy elites. The problem is Dems failed so bad that many people simply voted against them.

Yep. The red wave of all time. By the end of his next term, Trump will have given us a 7 to 2 conservative court, which will be with us for decades.

The Democrats let this happen -- in fact, they forced it. But both parties are run by the sane craven scumbags.

By "some people" I'm guessing you mean me. Well, you made it clear that you wanted Kamala Harris to lose and seeing as Trump was the only viable candidate in the race that could have beaten him, why isn't it the outcome you hoped for?

Last time Trump was POTUS you spent significantly more of your energy on this forum criticising the Democrats, ignoring a lot of the awful things the pussy-grabbing rapist was saying and doing and often gaving him a free pass for things that you would criticise the Democrats for. It's easy to see why "some people" would think you are happy with the election result.

Trump and the Republicans will fix nothing. The Democrats fixed nothing.

But if it upset "some people," then perhaps it's a good thing -- like a meteor.

 

[Frank Underwood]

By "some people" I'm guessing you mean me. Well, you made it clear that you wanted Kamala Harris to lose and seeing as Trump was the only viable candidate in the race that could have beaten him, why isn't it the outcome you hoped for?

Last time Trump was POTUS you spent significantly more of your energy on this forum criticising the Democrats, ignoring a lot of the awful things the pussy-grabbing rapist was saying and doing and often gaving him a free pass for things that you would criticise the Democrats for. It's easy to see why "some people" would think you are happy with the election result.

Says the person who ignores all of the awful things that the war mongering, anti-working class, "We'll pick up two moderate Republicans for every blue-collar Democrat we lose" party does. As I said before, reading comprehension matters. My criticism of the Dems has always been intended to expose how corrupted and repulsive they've become. If they hadn't fought so hard to smear and cheat Bernie Sanders, we would have likely had a president for 8 years that fought to raise the minimum wage, implement universal healthcare, and end the wars. Instead, they chose to become the party of war mongering neocons. As far as I'm concerned, Dick Cheney is even more repulsive and vile than Trump. Still, I never actually wanted a Trump presidency, let alone a second one. Your claim that I "gave Trump a pass" is also bullshit. My criticisms of the things he said and did can easily be found in the archives. I also didn't have a preferred winner as you falsely claimed I did. I simply didn't care who won or lost. Electing Harris or Trump wouldn't have significantly changed anything anymore than electing Obama and Biden did. The rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer, and the wars just continue escalating.

It's counter-productive to focus on who I'm criticizing instead of the why. If you didn't want a Trump presidency (as I didn't), then you should have expected more of the Dems.

 

[Angela Channing]

Says the person who ignores all of the awful things that the war mongering, anti-working class, "We'll pick up two moderate Republicans for every blue-collar Democrat we lose" party does. As I said before, reading comprehension matters. My criticism of the Dems has always been intended to expose how corrupted and repulsive they've become. If they hadn't fought so hard to smear and cheat Bernie Sanders, we would have likely had a president for 8 years that fought to raise the minimum wage, implement universal healthcare, and end the wars. Instead, they chose to become the party of war mongering neocons. As far as I'm concerned, Dick Cheney is even more repulsive and vile than Trump. Still, I never wanted was a Trump presidency, let alone a second one. That's why your claim that I "gave Trump a pass" is bullshit. My criticisms of the things he said and did can easily be found in the archives. The fact is I didn't have a preferred winner, so your claim that I did is also false. I didn't care who won or lost. Electing Harris or Trump wouldn't have significantly changed anything anymore than electing Obama and Biden did. The rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer, and the wars continue escalating.

I guarantee over the next 4 years you will continue to criticise the Democrats at least twice as much as you criticise Trump. It's what you always do

 

[Frank Underwood]

I guarantee over the next 4 years you will continue to criticise the Democrats at least twice as much as you criticise Trump. It's what you always do

And I guarantee you will stick to your pre-conceived narrative about me and ignore the substance of what I post. It's what you always do.

I can also guarantee that the minute I do make a criticism of Trump, you will jump in and say it's the fault of people like me who didn't vote for Harris (regardless of our reasons.)

I think Kamala will win comfortably and the result will be apparent within 24 hours, not the drawn out process everyone went through last time. People have recently been getting excited about Iowa but I think they should be more excited about Florida because I think she might even win that state.

Well, at least you were right about the result being apparent within 24 hours.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Interestingly, there didn't seem to be too many reports of funny-business at the polls.

 

[Frank Underwood]

One other fear I have is that this (WNBC News 4 New York from 1984, actual news during the time of the Reagan/Mondale election) will be even more considered "fake news," and that right-wing media (FOX, OANN, etc.) will be the only thing allowed...

Media used to be unbiased, but now all corporate news should be taken with a grain of salt. They all let their biases slip in, and that was clear in their election coverage tonight.

Earlier this year, Joe Scarborough of MSNBC said "F you if you can't handle the truth" as he proceeded to lie about Biden's mental acuity.

Of course, you're right that Trump favors conservative media because they're favorable to him. His concerns about "fake news" are aimed exclusively at anti-Trump media.

 

[Richard Channing]

Honest question here, because I haven't been following it all that closely, but why do so many people believe that Trump's presidency is going to be a dictatorship, and it's the end of democracy etc? I actually saw someone today on a Facebook page I'm on asking how to go about requesting asylum! And saying they've studied history, they know the signs, and this is about to be Nazi Germany 2.0.
Is this based on things Trump has actually said or is it just fear mongering from the Dems, who it seems would have said or done anything not to have him reelected? I mean, if Trump wanted to be a dictator wouldn't he have done it the first time around? It all sounds very dramatic and a bit hysterical.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Is this based on things Trump has actually said or is it just fear mongering from the Dems,

Oh, it's both.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Honest question here, because I haven't been following it all that closely, but why do so many people believe that Trump's presidency is going to be a dictatorship, and it's the end of democracy etc? I actually saw someone today on a Facebook page I'm on asking how to go about requesting asylum! And saying they've studied history, they know the signs, and this is about to be Nazi Germany 2.0.
Is this based on things Trump has actually said or is it just fear mongering from the Dems, who it seems would have said or done anything not to have him reelected? I mean, if Trump wanted to be a dictator wouldn't he have done it the first time around? It all sounds very dramatic and a bit hysterical.

Trump said he'd only be a dictator on day 1, which was a reference to the executive orders he plans to issue. Issuing executive orders is something all presidents have done.

As for the Trump Presidency being "the end of democracy," that's a reference to Trump inciting some of his supporters to storm the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021. Although Trump asked them to be peaceful, it was his calls for them to protest at the Capitol that ultimately led to the insurrection. It's a valid complaint against him, but the system ultimately prevailed and the peaceful transfer of power took place. Trump still believes the election was stolen from him, but this isn't the first time a US political party or their candidate has tried to delegitimize the results of an election. That is precisely what Russia-gate was about, and Hillary Clinton said directly that Trump was an "illegitimate president." As for Harris, she became her party's nominee for president without going through a primary process. Of course, that was after she and her party covered up Biden's mental incompetence for years. They only threw Biden under the bus after the primaries were over and his condition was finally revealed publicly at the debate.

Personally, I find their concerns dramatic and hysterical myself (not to mention hypocritical.) Trump doesn't care about democracy, but the Dems don't either. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of a 2nd Trump term, but I'm not concerned about democracy or a dictatorship. What concerns me is that Trump will likely put even more conservatives on the Supreme Court. Beyond that, I doubt his presidency will be much different from Biden's (except maybe kissing the ass of Netanyahu and wealthy elites a little more.) The Dems would likely win decisively if they tackled income inequality, ended the wars, secured the border, and reigned in corporate greed. Sadly, they've become a party of neocons.

 

[Angela Channing]

Honest question here, because I haven't been following it all that closely, but why do so many people believe that Trump's presidency is going to be a dictatorship, and it's the end of democracy etc?

Because Trump himself said he wants to rule aa a dictator. His former Chief of Staff, John Kelly, said Trump meets the definition of fascist and would rule like a dictator, if allowed to. Other members of his previous administrative have said similar things. When people tell you who they are, believe them.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

If anything, Leo Risings (like Trump) are more incompetent as heads of state than anything, but that can be almost as damaging (especially when someone is pulling their strings).

They make great pop stars, however.

 

[Frank Underwood]

One fascist leaves the White House, and another one enters. One side is excited about that, and another is extremely upset. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Angela Channing]

One fascist leaves the White House, and another one enters. One side is excited about that, and another is extremely upset. Rinse and repeat.

Trump has said he wants to take away the independence of the Department of Justice so he can decide who they prosecute. He also wants similar control over the FBI. He has vowed retribution against his political enemies and said he would even consider using the military against them. Suggesting this is in any way equivalent to anything that Biden has done is nonsense.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Trump has said he wants to take away the independence of the Department of Justice so he can decide who they prosecute. He also wants similar control over the FBI. He has vowed retribution against his political enemies and said he would even consider using the military against them. Suggesting this is in any way equivalent to anything that Biden has done is nonsense.

Tell that to the thousands of Palestinians who've been slaughtered by US weaponry (and yes, I know Trump will continue funding the genocide, hence why he's a fascist too.)

Many past presidents have used the military to commit atrocities around the world, but the department of justice was only used against Trump.

Trump's presidency was plagued by a Russian collusion conspiracy thanks to the Dems, which they couldn't make stick.

The FBI and other intelligence agencies are also guilty of atrocities and are in need of reform. Personally, I don't find them to be institutions worth revering.

Biden and his White House worked in tandem with social media sites (particularly Twitter) to censor his critics.

To suggest that the Biden Administration isn't a fascist regime is mind-boggling nonsense. And don't forget his VP, who said the only thing she'd do different is put a Republican in her administration. Well, she certainly put Republicans in the next Administration, didn't she? That's probably the only campaign promise that she (inadvertently) kept.

 

[Angela Channing]

Tell that to the thousands of Palestinians who've been slaughtered by US weaponry (and yes, I know Trump will continue funding the genocide, hence why he's a fascist too.)

Many past presidents have used the military to commit atrocities around the world, but the department of justice was only used against Trump.

Trump's presidency was plagued by a Russian collusion conspiracy thanks to the Dems, which they couldn't make stick.

The FBI and other intelligence agencies are also guilty of atrocities and are in need of reform. Personally, I don't find them to be institutions worth revering.

Biden and his White House worked in tandem with social media sites (particularly Twitter) to censor his critics.

To suggest that the Biden Administration isn't a fascist regime is mind-boggling nonsense. And don't forget his VP, who said the only thing she'd do different is put a Republican in her administration. Well, she certainly put Republicans in the next Administration, didn't she? That's probably the only campaign promise that she (inadvertently) kept.

What you've described isn't fascism, just policies you disagree with.

John Kelly's definition was accurate. He said fascism is “a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy” and he went on to provide examples for how Trump met that definition.

Just because you don't like Biden, that doesn't make him a fascist.

 

[Frank Underwood]

What you've described isn't fascism, just policies you disagree with.

John Kelly's definition was accurate. He said fascism is “a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy” and he went on to provide examples for how Trump met that definition.

Just because you don't like Biden, that doesn't make him a fascist.

Right, I merely disagree with genocide. Militarism and censorship are hallmarks of fascist, authoritarian regimes. Militarism is even in the definition you provided!

Like Biden, Trump will continue the fascist policies of US hegemony. I wouldn't be surprised if he also weaponizes social media and the justice department against his enemies.

That said, everything else being said about Trump being a dictator who will bring down democracy is pure speculation and hyperbole. Trump talks a lot of crap he can't back up.