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It's Official: Donald Trump Has Been Elected The 47th President Of The United States
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Politicians might as well say "Are you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?" The cheapest I've seen gas where I live is about $3.80 a gallon, and some stations are over $4.00.
I'm convinced it takes a certain amount of narcissism to get into politics, which is why politicians will flat out lie in an attempt to inflate their "accomplishments."
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It's not the lying as such which is remarkable - as House MD said, everybody lies. It's the apparent compulsivity, the strangely specific details which are so easy to check and disprove, and the seeming pointlessness of it.
It turns out that you all were right about Biden's dementia. What do Trump's symptoms indicate?
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Pseudologia fantastica (PF), also known as pathological lying or mythomania, is a mental disorder characterized by persistent, pervasive, and often compulsive lying. PF causes dysfunction in many realms of life. Individuals with PF create elaborate, exaggerated narratives that they believe to be true, distinguishing this behavior from typical lying, which involves deliberate deception for a specific purpose. - Pseudologia Fantastica - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
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You just made up that up!!!
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So now they know what incoherency sounds like. Interesting.
Didn't the media used to say it was a conspiracy theory to make such a claim without a doctor's diagnosis?
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Yes, the selective outrage.
Trump's what we think he is, to be sure, but concern over sexual harassment suddenly ended when Biden was more credibly accused than Trump and Kavanaugh, Biden's accuser (not a political enemy) run out of the country.
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Well, the shoe's on the other foot now.
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How so? It's certainly not where the media is concerned. They were all too happy to report on Trump's apparent incoherency while covering up Biden's for years.
Shouldn't politics be about more than just a tit for tat game? And shouldn't we expect the media to always be objective, whether they support the person in office or not?
Trump may very well be "spiraling further into incoherency," but the media would have covered it up and called it a "conspiracy theory" if he was on their side like Biden.
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The bromance between Trump and Elon Musk has come to an end.
I'm not an Elon Musk fan, but he's telling the truth about Trump now that he's cut ties with him. He wrote on X: "The Trump tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year." The escalating feud between Musk and Trump began over Musk's disdain with Trump's "big, beautiful bill." Trump responded by threatening to terminate Musk's government subsidies and contracts, and he said he was surprised that Biden hadn't done so. Although this is just Trump being petty and seeking revenge, I don't believe we should be subsidizing billionaires in the first place (Musk reposted a video of himself saying as much back in 2021.) Musk fired back with the claim that the Epstein files haven't been made public because Trump is named in them. Musk also replied "Yes" to a user on X who suggested that Trump should be impeached and replaced with JD Vance.
DOGE ultimately turned out to be a waste of time (aside from exposing the nefarious aspects of USAID.) As expected, Trump's kowtowing to the Pentagon.
I'm not an Elon Musk fan, but he's telling the truth about Trump now that he's cut ties with him. He wrote on X: "The Trump tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year." The escalating feud between Musk and Trump began over Musk's disdain with Trump's "big, beautiful bill." Trump responded by threatening to terminate Musk's government subsidies and contracts, and he said he was surprised that Biden hadn't done so. Although this is just Trump being petty and seeking revenge, I don't believe we should be subsidizing billionaires in the first place (Musk reposted a video of himself saying as much back in 2021.) Musk fired back with the claim that the Epstein files haven't been made public because Trump is named in them. Musk also replied "Yes" to a user on X who suggested that Trump should be impeached and replaced with JD Vance.
DOGE ultimately turned out to be a waste of time (aside from exposing the nefarious aspects of USAID.) As expected, Trump's kowtowing to the Pentagon.
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I still can't quite decide whether Trump actually believes the things he says. There's nothing new in calling out the true effects of his tariffs. Harris did that at the debate but nothing swayed his devoted fans, and I don't think Musk's pronouncements will sway them now. Replacing him with Vance would likely make no difference. If Vance has any core beliefs of his own, he's keeping them well hidden; Trump would probably be still calling the shots anyway.
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Harris and the Democrats pushed non-Trump fans to vote for him in 2024 out of desperation -- people who had never considered voting for him in 2016 or 2020.
Was the going to ever work out well? Of course not.
Well, Vance wasn't keeping his beliefs that well-hidden a few years ago when he made his Hitler analogies to Trump.
I'm not a Vance guy, but he may turn out to be the most promising of a bad lot -- on the Left or Right -- when on his own. If so, he'd wind up in a different jar of pickles than the Bad Orange Man.
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Tariffs in themselves can be useful if you have an internal market that you want to protect and push consumers towards - of course, doing blanket tariffs was always just... dumb. It was never going to work - ultimately, US is more dependent on other countries for import than other countries are singularly dependent on them. Add that the industries were never going to move back to America (if that was ever the plan) since I doubt the average Joe would want to work three low-wage jobs and 12 hour shifts to make ends meet.
But this Elon vs Trump thing is at least amusing. It's produced quality meme material at least.
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I didn't mean that Musk was saying something new. My point was that he waited until now to tell the truth about Trump's tariffs because they had a falling out. Being invited into a powerful person's inner circle often causes people to compromise their principals, but it's conditional. Once that bond is broken, all loyalty is gone. Thus, Musk went from a Trump loyalist to a Trump hater. Musk clearly felt emboldened to tell the truth about Trump's tariffs and his "big, beautiful bill" once he was out of the inner circle. Of course, Musk's "principals" are limited. He clearly didn't become the world's richest man by being altruistic. Musk's feud with Trump is also quite costly, as he's lost $34 billion so far.
As for JD Vance, he went from a Trump hater to a Trump loyalist because he knew that was the best way to advance his career. The majority of politicians act out of political expediency, which means their "core beliefs" are whatever they need to be at that given time. For example, Harris flipped on her support for universal healthcare because her backers were against it. Harris criticized Trump's tariffs at the debate, but refusing to differentiate herself from Biden ultimately did her in. As I've said before, people vote based on their circumstances. The public felt Trump mishandled Covid, so they elected Biden. Then the economy went to crap, and they elected Trump. On top of that, they watched as Dems covered up Biden's poor mental acuity long enough to pull a bait and switch. I'm not a Trump fan, but Dems lost as a result of taking their base for granted.
Now that Trump's giving huge tax breaks to the rich and cutting programs that vulnerable people rely on, the Dems could see victories in 2026 and 2028. If that happens, they won't do anything to alleviate people's woes either. We live in a failed political system that leaves us ping-ponging between two corrupt, pro-rich/pro-war parties. Both parties make campaign promises they don't intend to keep during an election year in a transparent attempt to get votes. And when they do keep their promises (like Trump did with his tariffs,) they're usually to the detriment of society. People seem to be increasingly coming to this realization, especially after the last 5 years. The empire is starting to crumble.
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At what point would we see the "real" Vance, though? If he tries to run as Veep, he'll run into the same problem of differentiation that Harris did.
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The issue for Harris is that she's a lousy debater. She clearly doesn't do well there and the only debate (and really success) of her campaign was that debate against Trump which was heavily skewed in her favour in addition to having to prepare deeply for it. It was too early in her campaign to be truly effective (it wore off before the election), but she's going to struggle if she does run again.
Vance - for better or worse - does come across as a fairly talented politician. We can discuss if that's a good or a bad thing, but I could see him winning depending on who's he's going against. Hell, with the mess Trump is going to leave behind I could see people wanting a smooth talker who's willing to play the game.
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You seem confident that Trump was just joking when he repeatedly said if he was re-elected, "you'd never have to worry about voting again".