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The ability to kill Children at will? You think that is a goal of modern feminism?

I mean, it's just not - unless you are equating abortion with murder.
 

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The ability to kill Children at will? You think that is a goal of modern feminism?

I mean, it's just not - unless you are equating abortion with murder.

You may be more naive that you think.

As I said, there are many well-intentioned members of the movement who sincerely believe the stated "equality" goal.

But that has nothing to do with who runs the movement or their dystopian goals. It has always been sick.
 

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My state does allow abortion up to 12 weeks for a "normal" pregnancy and up to 24 weeks for a pregnancy where the mother's long term health is at risk or a fetus is diagnosed with a condition that indicates it will die before or shortly after birth.

BUT

In many cases doctors are hesitant to make an official diagnosis, especially when an amino can't be performed. My neighbor was told at about 21 weeks that the fetus had what looked like cysts or tumors, that she wasn't producing enough amniotic fluid, that the fetus was very unlikely to survive. Her doctors could not give a specific diagnosis. Once she passed 24 weeks, she just had to wait for it to die.

So yes - I support laws that allow for termination after 24 weeks under the strict supervision of a physician and under very specific circumstances.

That doesn't make me a crazy leftist feminist.
Your post reminded of this interview with Debbie Reynolds in which she tells the story of how she had to carry her dead baby in her womb for a long time because the law didn't allow for the pregnancy to be terminated prematurely. It is truly harrowing stuff.

 

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You may be more naive that you think.

As I said, there are many well-intentioned members of the movement who sincerely believe the stated "equality" goal.

But that has nothing to do with who runs the movement or their dystopian goals. It has always been sick.
I think using the reaction of one individual woman to a single case of infanticide as evidence that feminism or women’s equality has “gone too far” (which seems to be the trust of what you have been saying on this thread) is a huge leap. One woman’s opinion does not represent the views of women generally, just as the actions or opinions of one man cannot reasonably be used to represent all men.

I don’t know the details of the particular case you’re referring to, so I don’t think it would be fair for me to comment specifically on it. However, there is an important distinction between defending or excusing someone’s actions and trying to understand the circumstances that led to them. Research into women who kill their babies has repeatedly identified serious mental health problems as an important factor in some cases, including postpartum depression and, in the most severe cases, postpartum psychosis. Understanding the causes of such tragedies is not the same as saying that what happened was acceptable or that the mother should not be held accountable.

More broadly, I’m not sure how this individual case demonstrates that feminism, #MeToo or the pursuit of gender equality has gone too far. These are much bigger issues concerning discrimination, sexual harassment, abuse of power and equality between men and women. It is perfectly possible to condemn the killing of a child while also recognising that maternal mental health deserves greater attention, research and support.

Sadly, we still live in a society where women can face discrimination, harassment and abuse and where some men use their position, power or sense of entitlement to take advantage of women. The rolling back of DEI initiatives in some areas is also a legitimate cause for concern because addressing inequality requires sustained effort rather than assuming the problem has already been solved.

If anything, the lesson I would take from a tragic case like this is that we should be careful about turning an individual tragedy into an argument against an entire movement for equality. Feminism is not about defending everything a woman does simply because she is a woman. It is about equality and challenging discrimination and unequal power structures. Those are two very different things.
 

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DEI was more about quotas than qualifications. An equitable and diverse workforce is great, so long as the people that are put in those positions are capable of doing the job.

As for feminism, the original stated goals of gender equality and accountability for abusive men are what society should strive for. Unfortunately, most movements either have ulterior motives from the start, or they devolve into something darker. That's not to say there aren't well-intentioned, self-described feminists out there, but the movement at large has come to represent a more misandrist mindset. The toxic feminists tried to silence male victims during the #MeToo movement and used it as an excuse to strip all men of due process. There was pushback because accusations were treated as gospel, with phrases like "believe all women" used to justify innocent men getting caught in the net.

Some people referred to it as an "overcorrection," yet they still seemed to justify it. And all because the modern feminist view became about female superiority.

That's why the Lindsay Clancy situation isn't about "one individual case." What it represents is toxic women coming to the aid of another woman solely because of her gender. Sadly, most of her supporters are excusing her actions. Even the people who say we should consider her mental state and the circumstances that led to her snapping appear to be treating her different because she's a woman. When it's a man, people usually want to execute him first and ask questions later. Female predators are getting more attention these days, and their treatment is noticeably different too. Not only do they tend to receive lighter sentences, but people in general often take their crimes much less seriously.

I'm not a big label person these days, but as someone who supports true equality and accountability for both men and women, I'd prefer to think of myself as a humanist.
 
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