The US 2016 Election Thread

McGarrett

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Hey Sid (habit)

I know I can be a dick..

Thanfully you were blessed with wisdom to see where people come from.. And wiser from learning from your own prejudices..(I feel I have also but you put on a clinic) we have been here many years..

You have always been my favorite adversary.. And my heart hurt when you told me I was too rough on you...

If all progressives had your mindset I wouldnt be so worried about the Dem. party.

I am content with my choice.. Because of our shared common ground of shaking everything up.. All of our living presidents dont like him.. That alone is enough..

Ben Carson was my candidate.. (as you probably know) Carson endorsed Trump.. And Trump's speeches the past few weeks have been very inspiring for me personally..

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Yes, I was Sid Fairgate on the old forum. I put that as my signature, but I can see how it could be missed because of the small, gray print. My first two initials in real life are BD, so hence the name change.

Some people may be surprised to hear me say this, but I like McGarrett too. We had some very contentious fights in the past, and there was a time when I stopped posting here for awhile partly because of that. However, as I slowly began posting here again, he extended me an olive branch and we've had nothing but pleasant discussions ever since. We certainly don't agree on everything, but I've found that we share some common ground.
There was also a time when I only wanted to hear a liberal echo chamber, which made me a bit of a knee-jerk reactionary. In many ways, I believe Bernie Sanders opened my eyes to the corruption and policy positions of the Democratic Party that are contrary to what I believe in as a progressive Democrat. I still believe in the same principles I did in the past, but I have become more open minded to other perspectives.

I know there are still forum members who don't get on well with each other, which is a shame. However, sometimes personality conflicts and differences of opinion are so strong that people can't overcome them. I hate to see anybody engage in personal attacks that distract from the topics at hand, and I wish people could resist the temptation to do so. However, I don't think putting every discussion into one tangled thread is the solution.


Thank you, I feel the same about you as well. I enjoy your perspective, and have found there's quite a lot we agree on. :)

I honestly like hearing everybody's take on the election. I've been on the opposite side of the liberals on this board because I voted for Jill Stein instead of Hillary. However, by challenging my position on her, they have kept me engaged. I often find myself researching the issues more in-depth after reading SER's responses. It keeps me informed, and makes me better able to defend my position.


Absolutely.

I can respect anybody that presents their perspective in a thoughtful manner that leads to an interesting discussion. Dissension will happen from time to time, but we should all strive to stick to the issues.
 

TomParks2016

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I will post raw data as I can find it today

Trump outperforms Romney by 130,000 in Florida

Democratic early-vote turnout in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, down 31% from 2012 levels

NC change from same day 2012: Dem -30,561 (-2.3%) Rep +104,889 (+11.9%) Unaffiliated +226,517 (+38.9%)

FL early vote race change from 2012 to 2016 Afr-Am +70.6K (+9.2%) Hisp +453.8K (+86.9%) White +900K (+27.2%) Other +121.5K (+48.3%)

New Mexico Zia Poll: Clinton 46 (+2) Trump 44 Johnson 6

Jill Stein: Hillary Presidency 'Mushroom Cloud Waiting to Happen'...

NYT's @Nate_Cohn estimates black share of electorate in NC at 21.7%, down from 23% in 2012.

Colorado. GOP turnout now at 62.3%, outpacing Dem turnout which is at 61.5%

more to come.....
 

McGarrett

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I will post raw data as I can find it today

Trump outperforms Romney by 130,000 in Florida

Democratic early-vote turnout in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, down 31% from 2012 levels

NC change from same day 2012: Dem -30,561 (-2.3%) Rep +104,889 (+11.9%) Unaffiliated +226,517 (+38.9%)

FL early vote race change from 2012 to 2016 Afr-Am +70.6K (+9.2%) Hisp +453.8K (+86.9%) White +900K (+27.2%) Other +121.5K (+48.3%)

New Mexico Zia Poll: Clinton 46 (+2) Trump 44 Johnson 6

Jill Stein: Hillary Presidency 'Mushroom Cloud Waiting to Happen'...

NYT's @Nate_Cohn estimates black share of electorate in NC at 21.7%, down from 23% in 2012.

Colorado. GOP turnout now at 62.3%, outpacing Dem turnout which is at 61.5%

more to come.....
Fingers crossed..
 

Frank Underwood

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Hey Sid (habit)

I know I can be a dick..

Thanfully you were blessed with wisdom to see where people come from.. And wiser from learning from your own prejudices..(I feel I have also but you put on a clinic) we have been here many years..

You have always been my favorite adversary.. And my heart hurt when you told me I was too rough on you...

If all progressives had your mindset I wouldnt be so worried about the Dem. party.
I appreciate your kind words.

I'm all for personal growth and political maturity. I discovered things about my own party that I didn't like, and discovered many Republicans felt the same way about their party

I am content with my choice.. Because of our shared common ground of shaking everything up.. All of our living presidents dont like him.. That alone is enough..

Ben Carson was my candidate.. (as you probably know) Carson endorsed Trump.. And Trump's speeches the past few weeks have been very inspiring for me personally..
We're in agreement that the establishment needs to be broken up. I even agree with Trump on a few issues.. He went after Hillary for supporting NAFTA and the TPP, which threaten American jobs. He also supports protecting Social Security and Medicare, which is rare to hear from a Republican politician. In that regard, I can see why he would appeal to people who are afraid of losing their jobs or entitlements they paid into.

My concerns with Trump are over issues such as his divisiveness and foreign policy stance. However, as far as Republicans go, I'd still take him over Ted Cruz.
 

McGarrett

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If Hillary wins all that is out the window..

If Trump wins it will force a change in direction for Dems.. And a positive one

They would have to shift for midterms..

Then maybe, finally we can get some third party candidates to make noise..

Trump is a radical candidate and if he had run on the dem ticket he might have won there as well..

I appreciate your kind words.

I'm all for personal growth and political maturity. I discovered things about my own party that I didn't like, and discovered many Republicans felt the same way about their party


We're in agreement that the establishment needs to be broken up. I even agree with Trump on a few issues.. He went after Hillary for supporting NAFTA and the TPP, which threaten American jobs. He also supports protecting Social Security and Medicare, which is rare to hear from a Republican politician. In that regard, I can see why he would appeal to people who are afraid of losing their jobs or entitlements they paid into.

My concerns with Trump are over issues such as his divisiveness and foreign policy stance. However, as far as Republicans go, I'd still take him over Ted Cruz.
 

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Angela Channing

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Don't worry, Sarah. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Hillary will win. I'm more interested in the Senate elections. If the Democrats can net 4 seats, they will gain control and put a stop to some of the obstructionism the Obama administration has been subjected to.

I don't have your confidence and I'm still worried there might be a last minute upset. I've experienced too many election shocks in the UK, not least the last one in 2015 which lead to the election of one of the most disastrous, most incompetent and most right-wing governments that I can remember. That said, it's looking good for Hillary now that the last lie of the Trump campaign was blown away when the FBI again confirmed there was no criminality associated with her use of a private email server.

So is everyone staying up all night tomorrow to watch this?

I'll be staying up for the results as there could be some cliffhangers and shocks like Trump losing Utah or Hillary winning Arizona and like you said the possibility of the Democrats taking control of the senate.

 
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