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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson" data-source="post: 310339" data-attributes="member: 5079">While I could easily rattle off my few top favorites, I&#039;ve never given this much thought into a formal Top 10 of any sort.&nbsp; All inclusive of heroes, villains and supporting players?&nbsp;&nbsp; Nevertheless, I&#039;ll hold off on such a list until Mel is near the end, as some characters on my list haven&#039;t even been introduced into the MCU at this stage.I&#039;m not far removed from your position, except perhaps I made my peace much longer ago.&nbsp; Given my druthers, I&#039;d have preferred to see Holland play a true friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, dealing with his own rogues gallery as relatively low-level threats.&nbsp; That said, I get the reasons for the changes.&nbsp; We had five previous solo Spider-Man films, so I get the reason for a different approach.&nbsp; Also, Disney presumably went through arduous negotiations with Sony to get Spider-Man into the MCU; it makes sense to want to make the most of that by incorporating him thoroughly into the shared universe.I also appreciate that thought seemed to go into how this would logically change the character; there&#039;s inevitably a big difference between a high school kid who&#039;s a loner nerd and one who goes off on international and intergalactic adventures.&nbsp;&nbsp; (Consider DC Comics&#039; schizo approach to Batman.&nbsp; He&#039;s a &quot;brooding loner&quot; -- except for his&nbsp; eleven sidekicks and six team affiliations.)Given how you felt about GOTG, I pretty much anticipated this.&nbsp; Myself, I love RAGNAROK; solidly in my Top 5.&nbsp; &nbsp; I think the movie has an energy and zest that make earlier films in the MCU (both THOR; TIH; even the first Cap film) seem pallid and serviceable.&nbsp;&nbsp; More importantly, it finally breathed life into Thor as a character.&nbsp;&nbsp; While I liked the character in comic books, his earlier appearances in the MCU felt empty; I had wrote it off as Chris Hemsworth lacking charisma.&nbsp; With RAGNAROK, personality has finally been added and I like those traits.&nbsp; His cheerful but faltering optimism.&nbsp; His desire to be noble and heroic, while not quite knowing how.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thor has finally become a bold hero and a likeable chap.As much as I loved RAGNAROK and thought most of its humor worked, there are some cheap gags that should have been left on the cutting room floor.&nbsp; My own pet peeve in the movie is the&nbsp; ball: this guy can take a punch from the Hulk, but gets knocked over by a rubber ball?I don&#039;t share your irritation at how actors speak -- in fact, I rather like Goldblum&#039;s bemused, droll delivery and appreciate that such grand characters aren&#039;t predictably played as being ponderously self-serious.&nbsp;&nbsp; That said, I wasn&#039;t thrilled about Goldblum in the movie for the same reason I didn&#039;t care for Stallone or even Glenn Close showing up in earlier films; they&#039;re too distractingly famous to disappear into their supporting roles.There was a time I would have agreed with this, but I had an epiphany some years ago that cleared up such concerns.&nbsp; Twentieth century Hollywood created this weird, collective notion that everyone in history -- and even mythology -- sounded like Lawrence Olivier performing Hamlet.&nbsp; If Asgardians existed, they would probably speak Old Norse or even an unintelligible alien language; neither of which would be crowd pleasers in a superhero film.&nbsp;&nbsp; Having them speak in formal, quasi-Old English is entirely as anachronistic as having them talk like California surfer bros.&nbsp;&nbsp; Either way, it&#039;s an arbitrary line in the sand in how fictitious beings &quot;should&quot; sound.1&nbsp; &nbsp; Captain America: The Winter Soldier2&nbsp; &nbsp; Guardians of the Galaxy vol 13&nbsp; &nbsp; Captain America: Civil War4&nbsp; &nbsp; Thor: Ragnarok5&nbsp; &nbsp; The Avengers6&nbsp; &nbsp; Iron Man7&nbsp; &nbsp; Captain America: The First Avenger8&nbsp; &nbsp; Spider-Man: Homecoming9&nbsp; &nbsp; Doctor Strange10&nbsp; &nbsp; Avengers: Age of Ultron11&nbsp; &nbsp; Guardians of the Galaxy vol 212&nbsp; &nbsp; Thor13&nbsp; &nbsp; The Incredible Hulk14&nbsp; &nbsp; Ant-Man15&nbsp; &nbsp; Iron Man 316&nbsp; &nbsp; Iron Man 217&nbsp; &nbsp; Thor: The Dark World</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crimson, post: 310339, member: 5079"] While I could easily rattle off my few top favorites, I've never given this much thought into a formal Top 10 of any sort. All inclusive of heroes, villains and supporting players? Nevertheless, I'll hold off on such a list until Mel is near the end, as some characters on my list haven't even been introduced into the MCU at this stage. I'm not far removed from your position, except perhaps I made my peace much longer ago. Given my druthers, I'd have preferred to see Holland play a true friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, dealing with his own rogues gallery as relatively low-level threats. That said, I get the reasons for the changes. We had five previous solo Spider-Man films, so I get the reason for a different approach. Also, Disney presumably went through arduous negotiations with Sony to get Spider-Man into the MCU; it makes sense to want to make the most of that by incorporating him thoroughly into the shared universe. I also appreciate that thought seemed to go into how this would logically change the character; there's inevitably a big difference between a high school kid who's a loner nerd and one who goes off on international and intergalactic adventures. (Consider DC Comics' schizo approach to Batman. He's a "brooding loner" -- except for his eleven sidekicks and six team affiliations.) Given how you felt about GOTG, I pretty much anticipated this. Myself, I love RAGNAROK; solidly in my Top 5. I think the movie has an energy and zest that make earlier films in the MCU (both THOR; TIH; even the first Cap film) seem pallid and serviceable. More importantly, it finally breathed life into Thor as a character. While I liked the character in comic books, his earlier appearances in the MCU felt empty; I had wrote it off as Chris Hemsworth lacking charisma. With RAGNAROK, personality has finally been added and I like those traits. His cheerful but faltering optimism. His desire to be noble and heroic, while not quite knowing how. Thor has finally become a bold hero [I]and[/I] a likeable chap. As much as I loved RAGNAROK and thought most of its humor worked, there are some cheap gags that should have been left on the cutting room floor. My own pet peeve in the movie is the ball: this guy can take a punch from the Hulk, but gets knocked over by a rubber ball? I don't share your irritation at how actors speak -- in fact, I rather like Goldblum's bemused, droll delivery and appreciate that such grand characters aren't predictably played as being ponderously self-serious. That said, I wasn't thrilled about Goldblum in the movie for the same reason I didn't care for Stallone or even Glenn Close showing up in earlier films; they're too distractingly famous to disappear into their supporting roles. There was a time I would have agreed with this, but I had an epiphany some years ago that cleared up such concerns. Twentieth century Hollywood created this weird, collective notion that everyone in history -- and even mythology -- sounded like Lawrence Olivier performing Hamlet. If Asgardians existed, they would probably speak Old Norse or even an unintelligible alien language; neither of which would be crowd pleasers in a superhero film. Having them speak in formal, quasi-Old English is entirely as anachronistic as having them talk like California surfer bros. Either way, it's an arbitrary line in the sand in how fictitious beings "should" sound. 1 Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2 Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1 3 Captain America: Civil War 4 Thor: Ragnarok 5 The Avengers 6 Iron Man 7 Captain America: The First Avenger 8 Spider-Man: Homecoming 9 Doctor Strange 10 Avengers: Age of Ultron 11 Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 12 Thor 13 The Incredible Hulk 14 Ant-Man 15 Iron Man 3 16 Iron Man 2 17 Thor: The Dark World [/QUOTE]

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