What Does The Liz Cheney Episode Say about The GOP?

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I'm no fan of Liz Cheney. I've always considered her to be a rabid right-wing conservative zealot which is very much consistent with the Republican Party which has moved away from a more moderate conservatism that I would associate with politicians like John McCain, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. So it was kind of surprising to me that the Republicans kicked her out of her position as number 3 leader in the House of Representatives. It seems that someone's politics are no longer the important factor in the GOP but whether or not they support the Big Lie that Biden stole the 2020 presidential election.

Ms Cheney said that the she "will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the president’s crusade to undermine our democracy". The implication is that his supporters, and her critics, in the Republican Party have abandoned the rule of law. If someone like her isn't made welcome in the Republican Party what does that say about them? Are they so morally bankrupt that they believe breaking the law is justifiable if it enables them to keep their hands on power? Can anyone trust the Republican Party again or is this just a temporary aberration that will go when Trump's influence over the party eventually weakens?

As someone from outside of the country looking at what is happening with the USA Republican Party, I am astonished that some of those politicians who supported the Big Lie weren't the ones that were kicked out of leadership positions rather than Ms Cheney.
 

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So-called "moderate" Republicans have always been a bunch of war criminals who condone torture, overthrow governments and install puppet regimes, and trample on civil liberties whenever it suits them. The idea that they suddenly care about "democracy" and "the rule of law" is laughable. The reason Trump's an outcast among old school neocon Republicans is because he called out the intelligence community and encouraged an insurrection at home. The GOP (and the Dems) only support insurrections abroad.

Hatred of Trump has made for some strange bedfellows. Then again, the Democrats are basically the Republicans of the George W. Bush era, so that explains a lot. If Trump towed the party line, the old guard neocons of the party would have likely promoted the idea that the election was stolen. Not that they cared when the Supreme Court stole the election for real on behalf of George W. Bush in 2000. The truth is many hardcore neocon Republicans are more comfortable with Biden than Trump, which says a lot.

America was bought up and sold a long time ago anyway. The President is a mere figurehead. All the ruling class cares about is having a figurehead they can control.
 
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How Democrats Learned to Love the Cheneys​


Like Republicans Mitt Romney and John Bolton before her, Representative Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has discovered the secret of how to transition from being a whipping boy of the Washington press corps to its paragon of rectitude: Simply side with Democrats and against the Republican majority on some issue of substance.

This metamorphosis—lampooned as “strange new respect” by journalist Tom Bethell in 1992 as the liberal journalist’s instinct to overpraise any leftward gesture by a right-wing politician—can be accomplished any number of ways. In Romney’s case, he achieved his strange new respect in 2020, when he cast his ballot to impeach President Donald Trump. Bolton won his by publishing a show-and-tell about working for the Trump administration, 2020’s The Room Where It Happened. Almost overnight, Romney went from the slick-haired Bain Capital villain who delighted in dismantling viable American businesses at an enormous profit to him and shipping the jobs overseas to a principled gentleman—as far as most reporters were concerned. Bolton, cast as a warmonger by the liberal establishment’s in-flight magazine, the New Yorker, when he joined the Trump White House in 2018, got a makeover as a true son of liberty for ratting out Trump.

The rise of Cheney’s stock has been no less dramatic. Bred from two pedigreed Republicans, Dick Cheney (White House chief of staff; House minority whip; secretary of defense; vice president) and Lynne Cheney (chair of the National Endowment for the Humanities; right-wing think tank fellow; high-profile scold of video games), Liz Cheney was no pressman’s idea of a luminary. She flew with the hawks, was short-listed as a future speaker of the House or a Senate seat, and fought her way through the ranks to become the third-ranking House Republican. “Staunch” was one of her two middle names when the press profiled her. The other was “conservative.” The Spectator‘s Jack Hunter treated her fairly in a link-happy piece that listed off her, shall we say, extremely neoconservative positions on war, torture, drone strikes, black sites, the Patriot Act, Gitmo and mass surveillance.

But those positions are canceled in the liberal mind by her dissents from Trumpian orthodoxy. She defended Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, criticized Trump’s Middle East policies, and came out as pro-mask. But what made her a giant for many reporters and commentators was her adoption of the Democrats’ position on Trump’s impeachment. She voted to impeach in February and has repeatedly slammed him for the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. Recently, she spawned new accolades by fist-bumping Biden at his recent address to Congress and ripping Trump’s “stolen election“ lie.
Just listen to the ridiculous lionizing. “Liz Cheney’s Profile in Courage” said the headline of an April 28 Charlie Sykes piece in the Bulwark. “She Kind of Reminds You of Margaret Thatcher,” one Republican member of Congress told POLITICO’s Alex Thompson late last year. “How Liz Cheney Became the Conscience of Republicans,” CNN’s Chris Cillizza wrote in mid-January. “Did Liz Cheney Risk Everything to Impeach Trump?” Cillizza asked later that month. “Liz Cheney Praised for Impeachment ‘Courage’ but Risks Pro-Trump Ire,” the Financial Times, late January. “Liz Cheney Speaks Out After Failed GOP Effort to Oust Her from Leadership for Impeachment Vote,” People, February. “Liz Cheney is a hero for standing up for the truth,” insisted Representative Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), during impeachment proceedings. And so on.

Such is the disdain for Trump that he boosts the Cheney worship among the public and the press every time he denounces her. In his Jan. 6 fire-starter speech, he said, “We got to get rid of the weak congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world. We got to get rid of them. ” Cheney’s brand of courage, it seems, pays indirectly into the fundraising piggy bank. Last week, Trump gave her another boost. “Liz Cheney is polling sooo low in Wyoming, and has sooo little support, even from the Wyoming Republican Party, that she is looking for a way out of her congressional race,” he said. Now that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has adopted the Trumpian line on Cheney, prepare yourself for more “profile in courage” plaudits for her.

The current fuss over Cheney tells us less about her political “growth” or “change” or “courage” than it does about the press corps’ need for a changing story and the need for politicians to differentiate themselves. Political ambition can be consummated in a number of ways. One can support the leadership and wait to be called on, which is a pretty dull story. Or one can oppose the bosses and attempt to topple them, a story that writes itself and attracts readers.

Cheney, who has more in common politically with the Republicans who have been knocking her than she does with the people who have been praising her, obviously decided to do a little bit of both—rise inside the Republican establishment while also working to distinguish herself from Trump. The impeachment saga presented her with not so much a test of courage but a fork in her career. Go down with Trump or ride his political corpse to glory? Some time ago she decided to saddle the old bull. While Trump might be bucking more than Cheney anticipated, the wild ride is burnishing her image the way John McCain’s defiance of Trump did his. The field is overstocked with Trump clones—Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Ron DeSantis, Kristi Noem, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, Tom Cotton, et al. Having studied politics for decades under her mother and father, Cheney has surely gamed this out. You can call her courageous all you want and express your astonishment at her opposition to Trump. But there is more calculation on display here than there is valor.

Source: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/04/liz-cheney-kevin-mccarthy-trump-liberals-485390
 

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What's amazing to me as an outsider is that there are people who actually believe The Big Lie. It's like we're living in two simultaneous alternative universes.
I'm surprised they haven't got Fox News to uncritically push the narrative that Biden conspired with another country to steal the election from Trump...
 
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What's amazing to me as an outsider is that there are people who actually believe The Big Lie. It's like we're living in two simultaneous alternative universes.
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Since Trump contradicts himself constantly, it's not enough for his fanbase to merely believe everything he says; they have to settle on the most ridiculous thing he says.

Like with the vaccine and masks: he says not to bother with them, and then later says to do them. So they have to pick one, and they always pick the dumbest one. And then dig their heels in.

My point being that loyalty to a narcissist like Trump never pays off in the end, as most deals with the Devil don't. Liz Cheney was far more loyal and supportive to Trump's warped rightwing agenda than the woman they've replaced her with. But Cheney refused to support Trump's most recent important, baseless lie -- that the 2020 election was supposedly stolen from him.

So out she goes.
 

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I'm surprised they haven't got Fox News to uncritically push the narrative that Biden conspired with another country to steal the election from Trump...
Aren't Fox News back peddling on perpetuating conspiracy theories about the election being stolen because of Smartmatics and Dominion Voting Systems defamation lawsuit against them? I think without those legal proceedings, Fox News would still be going full throttle on The Big Lie.
 

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What Cheney's ouster says to me is that the GOP is on life support. All the infighting will destroy the party to the point that even gerrymandering won't be able to save it.

What I'm curious about is the fallout. I have sneaking suspicion that over the next 10-15 years the Democrat party will become the party of "conservative values" and another, more progressive party will spring up to be the primary opposition.
 

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What Cheney's ouster says to me is that the GOP is on life support. All the infighting will destroy the party to the point that even gerrymandering won't be able to save it.

What I'm curious about is the fallout. I have sneaking suspicion that over the next 10-15 years the Democrat party will become the party of "conservative values" and another, more progressive party will spring up to be the primary opposition.
One could only hope. It's embarrassing that we're the last industrialized nation without a functioning social democracy.

If a progressive party does form, they'll have to fight to keep the neocons from taking it over like they did the Democratic Party. The media won't be on their side either.
 
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I've never subscribed to the belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Are they someone who can be of use to you, a momentary ally? Of course, but I would never call them "friend". I think Democrats should be cautious about becoming too friendly with the likes of Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, Adam Kinzinger or the Lincoln Project. The anti-Trump Republicans will waste no time going back to fighting against Democrats once Trump is dead, imprisoned, etc.

I find Liz Cheney to be especially troublesome. I remember when Lynne Cheney, Liz's mother, would go on Crossfire spewing vile homophobic rhetoric in the guise of "family values". Then Lynne Cheney stopped. Lynne Cheney didn't appear on television as frequently and when she did she wasn't spouting anti-gay hate-speech. I later learned that Lynne's daughter, Mary, came out as a lesbian. I've found this to be typical of Republicans; their capacity for empathy only extends as far as their nuclear family.

Liz isn't like her mother, she never espoused the same anti-gay rhetoric but she also didn't change her stance on gay rights. Liz has opposed gay rights throughout her career. In her campaign for the Senate in 2013 Liz stated her opposition to marriage equality; her parents supported her candidacy as well as her stance of marriage equality - despite the clear message it sent to Mary. So much for empathy.
 

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What's amazing to me as an outsider is that there are people who actually believe The Big Lie. It's like we're living in two simultaneous alternative universes.
More like three, four or more universes. We live in an age of disinformation. Everyone lives in a bubble seeking "news" from sources that validate our own beliefs. Narrative trumps facts. The left is just as guilty of this as the right.
 

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Aren't Fox News back peddling on perpetuating conspiracy theories about the election being stolen because of Smartmatics and Dominion Voting Systems defamation lawsuit against them? I think without those legal proceedings, Fox News would still be going full throttle on The Big Lie.
They aired a video or recited a carefully worded statement. They offered up Lou Dobbs as a sacrificial lamb. They'll cut off Mike Lindell or Rudy Giuliani if they bring it up. They do what they have to to prevent being sued - but nothing more. They may not be going full throttle in perpetuating The Big Lie but they aren't going full throttle in denouncing it either. Their viewers still believe Trump won the election by a landslide.
 

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More like three, four or more universes. We live in an age of disinformation. Everyone lives in a bubble seeking "news" from sources that validate our own beliefs. Narrative trumps facts. The left is just as guilty of this as the right.
That depends on what you consider the left. When it comes to political discussions on mainstream media, the Overton window has shifted decisively to the right. It doesn't matter if it's Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC. MSNBC fired Phil Donahue for opposing the Iraq War and hired Bush-era neocons as contributors, so they're not a "left" news outlet.

Corporate media is always going to spew what their corporate overlords tell them to. Independent media is where it's at when it comes to cutting through disinformation. YouTube works to suppress independent media while propping up mainstream media. That's why it's laughable that big tech acts like it's protecting us from misinformation.

People still believe mainstream media can be differentiated between left and right, but the main thing the separates them is the political team they've chosen to cheer for.
 
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What Cheney's ouster says to me is that the GOP is on life support. All the infighting will destroy the party to the point that even gerrymandering won't be able to save it.

What I'm curious about is the fallout. I have sneaking suspicion that over the next 10-15 years the Democrat party will become the party of "conservative values" and another, more progressive party will spring up to be the primary opposition.
I think we will see a realignment of both the Democratic and Republican parties with the creation of one or more additional new parties. The Republican party is clearly the party of Trump; the majority of registered Republicans support Trump and most elected Republicans voice their support of Trump (in public but not necessarily in private).

I imagine social conservatives will remain with the GOP while small government/fiscal conservatives will form a new party. I can also see a division within the Democratic party between mainstream Democrats and the woke "abolish the police", "critical race theory" left.
 

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I think we will see a realignment of both the Democratic and Republican parties with the creation of one or more additional new parties. The Republican party is clearly the party of Trump; the majority of registered Republicans support Trump and most elected Republicans voice their support of Trump (in public but not necessarily in private).

I imagine social conservatives will remain with the GOP while small government/fiscal conservatives will form a new party. I can also see a division within the Democratic party between mainstream Democrats and the woke "abolish the police", "critical race theory" left.
Political party realignments have happened before. Bill Clinton ushered in the "new" Democrats in 1992, making them more like the party of Reagan than FDR.

The division in the Democratic Party isn't just between mainstream Democrats and the woke mob. There's also the social Democrats/progressives. They're the ones calling for better wages, universal healthcare, immigration reform, ending the wars, reducing the military budget, etc. They're equally at odds with the establishment and cancel culture.

Also, I think "abolish the police" is incredibly poorly named. It should be demilitarize the police, allowing money to be diverted to education and mental health programs.
 
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What I'm curious about is the fallout. I have sneaking suspicion that over the next 10-15 years the Democrat party will become the party of "conservative values" and another, more progressive party will spring up to be the primary opposition.
What about the reverse? There's talk of a possible conservative party more aligned with traditional Republican values. If as speculated Liz Cheney is considering a presidential run, she might have more traction as the standard bearer for such a party since she seems to be determinedly burning her bridges with the existing one.
 

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What about the reverse? There's talk of a possible conservative party more aligned with traditional Republican values. If as speculated Liz Cheney is considering a presidential run, she might have more traction as the standard bearer for such a party since she seems to be determinedly burning her bridges with the existing one.
I don't doubt a new conservative party will rise out of this mess. But I don't think it will be very prominent. I think it will end up being like the Libertarian party - having no real consequences in elections.
 
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