Do you agree with Covid passports?

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Today our (awful) assembly at Stormont voted in favour of Covid passports meaning people in Northern Ireland have to carry the document in order to go to bars, restaurants, theatres and live concerts.

The disgrace that is the DUP of course voted against it and haven’t come up with a better suggestion as a way to comebat the problem.

What do you think of a Covid passport? For or against it?

 

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I fully support Covid-19 passports in fact I think it's irresponsible not to introduce them. Covid hasn't gone away and passports are the best way to keep large enclosed venues safe. The alternative would be to close them altogether when cases begin to soar which would be far more disruptive.
 

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The short answer is I'm against them, but this video gives a comprehensive reason why:

 
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I've just seen a picture on Instagram where a woman compares the carrying of a Covid passport, to wearing a yellow star as a Jew during the Holocaust. It's been a while since I've seen anything so offensive.
 

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I've just seen a picture on Instagram where a woman compares the carrying of a Covid passport, to wearing a yellow star as a Jew during the Holocaust. It's been a while since I've seen anything so offensive.
It's obviously an extreme comparison because the unvaccinated aren't being executed. That said, I still think it's wrong to shame them and force them to be social outcasts. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious. Not only that, but there have been reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine. I personally don't believe governments should have the right to mandate a medical procedure in order to participate in society. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine. We all assume some risk when we venture out of our homes, but it should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.
 

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It's a vexed question. Some people here have been comparing it to the wearing of seat belts but I agree with @Frank Underwood that there is a vast difference when it comes to the injection of a substance into one's body. On the other hand, by necessity we do give up some personal freedom in exchange for the protection of the group. That's the bargain we make as part of a society, isn't it?
 

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It's obviously an extreme comparison because the unvaccinated aren't being executed. That said, I still think it's wrong to shame them and force them to be social outcasts. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious. Not only that, but there have been reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine. I personally don't believe governments should have the right to mandate a medical procedure in order to participate in society. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine. We all assume some risk when we venture out of our homes, but it should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.
I'll take each of your points separately.

1. Should unvaccinated people be social outcasts?
People have a choice and their choices have consequences. If they are unvaccinated they are at greater risk of passing Covid-19 on to other members of the public so in a pandemic situation when you are trying to stop it's spread it's not unreasonable to suggest their movements should be restricted. When Ebola was spreading rapidly in parts of Africa were you happy for people from those infected regions to hop on a plane to your home town and circulate freely in your neighbourhood? If you needed a blood transfusion would you be happy to receive blood from someone who was having unprotected sex with prostitutes and other groups of people who are at high risk of HIV infection? Why should healthy people be forced to mix with people who have a significantly higher risk of infecting them with a potentially deadly disease? Far better if people choose not to be vaccinated they are limited with how much contact they have with vaccinated people.

2. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious.
Yes but we are talking about a massively different level of being contagious. If I'm vaccinated not only am I over 90% less likely to get Covid-19 but if I'm in the unlucky less than 10% that do, I will have a significantly lower virus load and so will be much less likely to pass it on to someone else.

It's not been revealed whether or not Joe Biden's press secretary had her vaccine booster but if she was originally vaccinated more that 6 months ago it's almost irrelevant that she had her initial jabs because it weakens after 6 months.

3. There are reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine.
Around 3.2 billion people have been fully vaccinated worldwide and only a miniscule number of them have had any long term complications. By comparison, over 5 million people have died from covid-19 and it's been estimated that around 100 million are living with long covid.

4. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine.
If a woman has an abortion it impacts on her and her unborn child. If no one takes a covid vaccine, hundreds of millions more people will die. I accept that some people think their individual rights should trump the rights of everyone else but I believe were are a society and not a collection of individual people only considering our own selfish needs. Sometimes we need to act to do what is best for society as a whole.

5. It should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.
The precaution I want to take is not to mix with people who refuse to be vaccinated but I am not given that right. I'm doing to responsible thing for society by being vaccinated but those who chose not to be vaccinated believe their rights should supersede mine. If people don't want to be vaccinated, they should do the responsible thing and not mix with other people who they could potentially pass covid on to.
 
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It's a vexed question. Some people here have been comparing it to the wearing of seat belts but I agree with @Frank Underwood that there is a vast difference when it comes to the injection of a substance into one's body. On the other hand, by necessity we do give up some personal freedom in exchange for the protection of the group. That's the bargain we make as part of a society, isn't it?
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I'll take each of your points separately.

1. Should unvaccinated people be social outcasts?
People have a choice and their choices have consequences. If they are unvaccinated they are at greater risk of passing Covid-19 on to other members of the public so in a pandemic situation when you are trying to stop it's spread it's not unreasonable to suggest their movements should be restricted. When Ebola was spreading rapidly in parts of Africa were you happy for people from those infected regions to hop on a plane to your home town and circulate freely in your neighbourhood? If you needed a blood transfusion would you be happy to receive blood from someone who was having unprotected sex with prostitutes and other groups of people who are at high risk of HIV infection? Why should healthy people be forced to mix with people who have a significantly higher risk of infecting them with a potentially deadly disease? Far better if people choose not to be vaccinated they are limited with how much contact they have with vaccinated people.
According to Joe Biden's former adviser on covid, the virus will continue to be contagious enough that everybody will get it due to continued mutations. I'd possibly feel differently if it were isolated to one region of the world like Ebola and could be eradicated through a vaccine. According to Bloomberg "The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves." Again, this is why I think getting vaccinated should be a personal choice. If the information I've been reading is correct, it sounds like the vaccine is more about protecting yourself than others, and even that isn't guaranteed.

I feel like the HIV example would have been more relevant in the 1980s, but they're much more diligent about checking blood for that prior to a transfusion these days.

2. Vaccinated people can still contract Covid (like Joe Biden's press secretary) and they can still be contagious.
Yes but we are talking about a massively different level of being contagious. If I'm vaccinated not only am I over 90% less likely to get Covid-19 but if I'm in the unlucky less that 10% that do, I will have a significantly lower virus load and so will be much less likely to pass it on to someone else.

It's not been revealed whether or not Joe Biden's press secretary had her vaccine booster but if she was originally vaccinated more that 6 months ago it's almost irrelevant that she had her initial protection because it weakens after 6 months.
And yet that's not what we were told when the vaccine was first rolled out.

Big pharma has made over $130 billion off the vaccine, so it sure is convenient there's now a booster needed to give them yet another boost (pun intended).

According to Amnesty International, "less than 1% of people in low income countries are fully vaccinated, compared to 55% in rich countries."

It figures that something that's supposedly intended to "save humanity" has an economic catch to it.
3. There are reports of vaccinated people who now have long term complications as a result of the vaccine.
Around 3.2 billion people have been fully vaccinated worldwide and only a miniscule number of them have had any long term complications. By comparison, over 5 million people have died from covid-19 and it's been estimated that around 100 million are living with long covid.
I still have a problem telling people that they must risk being a part of that "miniscule number" for the good of humanity.

If they want to make that choice for themselves, good for them. I just have a hard time with it be compulsory.
4. Women say "my body, my choice" when it comes to their right to have an abortion. By the same token, a person should have the right to decide whether or not to get the vaccine.
If a woman has an abortion it impacts on her and her unborn child. If no one takes a covid vaccine, hundreds of millions more people will die. I accept that some people think their individual rights should trump the rights of everyone else but I believe were are a society and not a collection of individual people only considering our own selfish needs. Sometimes we need to act to do what is best for society as a whole.
Yes, sometimes we do need to act to do what is best for society. However, I don't think that includes telling a person they must inject something into their own body.

The fact that the vaccine has made big pharma obscene amounts of money is enough to raise my skepticism and question the compulsory nature of it.

And just for the record, I chose to get vaccinated in May. It was a medical choice I made after a consultation between me and my doctor, as it should be for everybody.
5. It should be up to the individual to decide what precautions they're willing to take.
The precaution I want to take is not to mix with people who refuse to be vaccinated but I am not given that right. I'm doing to responsible thing for society by being vaccinated but those who chose not to be vaccinated believe their rights should supersede mine. If people don't want to be vaccinated, they should do the responsible thing and not mix with other people who they could potentially pass covid on to.
Remember when masks were supposedly sufficient? But then that's not as financially exploitable, is it? Now you must inject yourself with a vaccine that's only been around about a year in order to possibly not spread covid to others, even though that's not guaranteed and Biden's former covid director said we're all going to get the virus anyway.
 
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Big pharma has made over $130 billion off the vaccine, so it sure is convenient there's now a booster needed to give them yet another boost (pun intended).
Bill Maher is a center-right Democrat, and even he's come out in favor of natural immunity and expressed skepticism of the booster and big pharma.

He also pointed out that the hospitalization rate for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people is less than 1%.


It's a vexed question. Some people here have been comparing it to the wearing of seat belts but I agree with @Frank Underwood that there is a vast difference when it comes to the injection of a substance into one's body. On the other hand, by necessity we do give up some personal freedom in exchange for the protection of the group. That's the bargain we make as part of a society, isn't it?
To a degree, but we're talking about a vaccine that's known to cause serious side effects in some people and that isn't guaranteed to protect yourself, let alone others.

I honestly believe issues such as vaccine mandates and passports are a test to see how easily people are willing to roll over for a sense of safety. Are there vulnerable groups who should take the vaccine? Yes. Can the vaccine also cause long term problems in some people? Also yes. Do people who've had the virus still need the vaccine? If the science is to be believed, they are actually more protected than a vaccinated person who never had covid. I agree with Bill Maher that there's not a one size fits all solution to the virus.
 
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Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology, Robert Malone​


 

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According to Joe Biden's former adviser on covid, the virus will continue to be contagious enough that everybody will get it due to continued mutations. I'd possibly feel differently if it were isolated to one region of the world like Ebola and could be eradicated through a vaccine. According to Bloomberg "The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves." Again, this is why I think getting vaccinated should be a personal choice. If the information I've been reading is correct, it sounds like the vaccine is more about protecting yourself than others, and even that isn't guaranteed.

I feel like the HIV example would have been more relevant in the 1980s, but they're much more diligent about checking blood for that prior to a transfusion these days.


And yet that's not what we were told when the vaccine was first rolled out.

Big pharma has made over $130 billion off the vaccine, so it sure is convenient there's now a booster needed to give them yet another boost (pun intended).

According to Amnesty International, "less than 1% of people in low income countries are fully vaccinated, compared to 55% in rich countries."

It figures that something that's supposedly intended to "save humanity" has an economic catch to it.

I still have a problem telling people that they must risk being a part of that "miniscule number" for the good of humanity.

If they want to make that choice for themselves, good for them. I just have a hard time with it be compulsory.

Yes, sometimes we do need to act to do what is best for society. However, I don't think that includes telling a person they must inject something into their own body.

The fact that the vaccine has made big pharma obscene amounts of money is enough to raise my skepticism and question the compulsory nature of it.

And just for the record, I chose to get vaccinated in May. It was a medical choice I made after a consultation between me and my doctor, as it should be for everybody.

Remember when masks were supposedly sufficient? But then that's not as financially exploitable, is it? Now you must inject yourself with a vaccine that's only been around about a year in order to possibly not spread covid to others, even though that's not guaranteed and Biden's former covid director said we're all going to get the virus anyway.
Vaccines, dating back to when Edward Jenner first developed them, have always been about protecting the recipient from the virus and also about creating a high level of immunity in a community to restrict it's onward transmission. The Covid vaccines are no different.

Suggesting Big Pharma is behind the push to encourage everyone to get boosters is a conspiracy theory too far. How do you account for AstraZeneca who are committed to providing the vaccine at cost for as long as the pandemic is in existence also supporting booster shots? How do you account for the UK The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation who advise the government on vaccinations and have no connection with pharmaceutical companies also recommending booster programmes? How do you account for overwhelming research published in the medical and scientific literature saying existing vaccines wane after 6 months? How do you account for doctors worldwide overwhelmingly being supportive of vaccine programmes to prevent covid infections?

I never recall any scientist or doctor saying wearing face coverings was sufficient but just a way of reducing infections. Remember Covid-19 has only really been around for a short time and scientists are increasing their knowledge of the virus every day and advice is updated accordingly.

If no one was vaccinated and we just leave covid to rip through the population then hundreds of millions of people will die. The death rate has slowed because billions have been vaccinated. Everyone should do their bit to prevent the further spread rather than being free-living parasites on the backs of those who have been vaccinated.
 

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Bill Maher is a center-right Democrat, and even he's come out in favor of natural immunity and expressed skepticism of the booster and big pharma.

He also pointed out that the hospitalization rate for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people is less than 1%.



To a degree, but we're talking about a vaccine that's known to cause serious side effects in some people and that isn't guaranteed to protect yourself, let alone others.

I honestly believe issues such as vaccine mandates and passports are a test to see how easily people are willing to roll over for a sense of safety. Are there vulnerable groups who should take the vaccine? Yes. Can the vaccine also cause long term problems in some people? Also yes. Do people who've had the virus still need the vaccine? If the science is to be believed, they are actually more protected than a vaccinated person who never had covid. I agree with Bill Maher that there's not a one size fits all solution to the virus.
Bill Maher is a comedian! He's not a doctor, he's not a virologist, he's not a scientist. Why should anyone think his opinion is more valid than the overwhelming majority of healthcare professionals and scientists who have been studying covid and treating patients? What next? Should people consult Whoppi Goldberg to get a cancer diagnosis?
 

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Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology, Robert Malone​


I don't know who this man is but if he claims to have invented mRNA vaccine Technology then he is not honest. It was developed by the Hungarian biochemist Katalin Kariko. Her story in how she discovered the potential of mRNA and developed the technology is fascinating.

Even if Robert Malone had developed the technology, if he is now arguing against the value of people being vaccinated then he is still out of step with the evidence and the view of the overwhelming majority of scientists and medical professionals.
 

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There is simply nothing that compares with the Holocaust, nothing. And for that instagrammer to suggest it's even remotely similar is disgusting.
 

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There is simply nothing that compares with the Holocaust, nothing. And for that instagrammer to suggest it's even remotely similar is disgusting.
Maybe the African slave trade which killed more people than the Holocaust but your point about the comparison with vaccine passports is still valid
 

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Vaccines, dating back to when Edward Jenner first developed them, have always been about protecting the recipient from the virus and also about creating a high level of immunity in a community to restrict it's onward transmission. The Covid vaccines are no different.

Suggesting Big Pharma is behind the push to encourage everyone to get boosters is a conspiracy theory too far. How do you account for AstraZeneca who are committed to providing the vaccine at cost for as long as the pandemic is in existence also supporting booster shots? How do you account for the UK The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation who advise the government on vaccinations and have no connection with pharmaceutical companies also recommending booster programmes? How do you account for overwhelming research published in the medical and scientific literature saying existing vaccines wane after 6 months? How do you account for doctors worldwide overwhelmingly being supportive of vaccine programmes to prevent covid infections?

I never recall any scientist or doctor saying wearing face coverings was sufficient but just a way of reducing infections. Remember Covid-19 has only really been around for a short time and scientists are increasing their knowledge of the virus every day and advice is updated accordingly.

If no one was vaccinated and we just leave covid to rip through the population then hundreds of millions of people will die. The death rate has slowed because billions have been vaccinated. Everyone should do their bit to prevent the further spread rather than being free-living parasites on the backs of those who have been vaccinated.
I never said vaccines don't serve a purpose, but the idea that people should be coerced into having a medical procedure performed on them doesn't sit well with me.

My doctor advised me to take the vaccine because I have asthma, which puts me in the high risk category. That is why I chose to take the vaccine, but I liked the fact that I had the bodily autonomy to make that decision. Nobody threatened to take away my job or to not allow me entrance into their business in order to get me to take the vaccine, and that's how I believe it should be. You think it's selfish to not take the vaccine, and I think it's authoritarian to demand people take the vaccine or face becoming a social outcast.

And as for it being a "conspiracy" to believe big pharma is only in it for the money, I suppose they buy politicians who block universal healthcare in the US because they care.

So let me turn this around and ask how you account for the findings of this article from Amnesty International that was released in September:

New report shows leading Covid-19 vaccine pharma companies fuelling unprecedented human rights crisis​

  • AstraZeneca, BioNTech, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Novavax and Pfizer refused to participate in initiatives to boost global vaccine supply
  • Less than 1% of people in low-income countries are fully vaccinated, compared to 55% in rich countries
  • BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer set to earn US$130 billion by the end of 2022
  • Ahead of President Biden’s global Covid-19 summit, Amnesty International throws down gauntlet and calls for 2 billion vaccines to be delivered to low and lower-middle income countries before end of the year
Six companies at the helm of the Covid-19 vaccine roll-out are fuelling an unprecedented human rights crisis through their refusal to waive intellectual property rights and share vaccine technology, with most failing to prioritise vaccine deliveries to poorer countries, Amnesty International said today.

In a new report, A Double Dose of Inequality: Pharma companies and the Covid-19 vaccines crisis, the organization assessed six of the companies that hold the fate of billions of people in their hands: AstraZeneca plc, BioNTech SE, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Inc., Novavax, Inc. and Pfizer, Inc. It paints a dismal picture of an industry that is woefully failing to respect human rights.

“Vaccinating the world is our only pathway out of this crisis. It should be time to hail these companies, who created vaccines so quickly, as heroes. But instead, to their shame and our collective grief, Big Pharma’s intentional blocking of knowledge transfer and their wheeling and dealing in favor of wealthy states has brewed an utterly predictable and utterly devastating vaccine scarcity for so many others” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

“Its plunging parts of Latin America, Africa and Asia into renewed crises, pushing weakened health systems to the very brink and causing tens of thousands of preventable deaths every week. In many low-income countries not even health workers and people at-risk have received the vaccine.”

“Against the backdrop of these gross inequalities BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer are set to make US$130 billion combined by the end of 2022. Profits should never come before lives.”

Failing to meet human rights responsibilities

In order to assess their response to the crisis, Amnesty International reviewed each company’s human rights policy, vaccine pricing structure, their records on intellectual property, knowledge and technology sharing, the fair allocation of available vaccine doses, and transparency. It found that to differing degrees, the six vaccine developers had failed to meet their human rights responsibilities.

Out of 5.76 billion doses administered worldwide, a paltry 0.3% have gone to low-income countries with over 79% going to upper-middle and high-income countries. Despite calls to prioritise and collaborate with COVAX Facility, the international instrument aiming to ensure a fair global vaccine allocation, some of the assessed companies have continued to stock up vaccine supplies for states known to be hoarding the vaccine.

All the companies assessed have so far refused to take part in internationally coordinated initiatives designed to boost global supply by sharing knowledge and technology. They have also opposed proposals to temporarily lift intellectual property rights, such as the World Trade Organization Trade Related Intellectual Property Rules (TRIPS) Waiver proposed by India and South Africa.

Further findings included:

  • Pfizer and BioNTech have so far delivered nine times more vaccines to Sweden alone than to all low-income countries combined – less than 1% of their production so far. High prices mean the companies are set to earn over $86 billion in revenues by the end of 2022.
  • Moderna has not yet delivered a single vaccine dose to a low-income country, has provided just 12% of its vaccines to lower-middle income countries, and will not deliver the vast majority of its orders for COVAX until 2022. Higher prices mean it is set to earn over $47bn in revenues by the end of 2022
  • Johnson & Johnson has developed the world’s only single dose vaccine and sells at cost price, yet it will not deliver the vast majority of its commitments to COVAX and the African Union until 2022. They have also refused to grant a license to a Canadian manufacturer offering to manufacture millions more doses.
  • Astrazeneca has delivered the most vaccines to lower income countries, sells at cost price, and has issued some voluntary licenses to other manufacturers. However, it has refused to openly share its knowledge and technology with WHO initiatives and has opposed the TRIPS Waiver.
  • Novavax has yet to be approved for use, but currently plans to provide almost two-thirds of its production to supply COVAX. However, like others, it has refused to share its knowledge and technology and has opposed the TRIPS Waiver.

Despite most companies receiving billions of dollars in government funding and advance orders, vaccine developers have monopolized intellectual property, blocked technology transfers, and lobbied aggressively against measures that would expand the global manufacturing of these vaccines. Their continued inaction has caused human rights harms suffered by the billions of people still unable to access a lifesaving Covid-19 vaccine.

100-day countdown

“Today marks 100 days until the end of the year. We’re calling on states and pharmaceutical companies to drastically change course and to do everything needed to deliver 2 billion vaccines to low and lower-middle income countries starting now. No one should spend another year suffering and living in fear,” said Agnès Callamard.

“Today marks 100 days until the end of the year. We’re calling on states and pharmaceutical companies to drastically change course and to do everything needed to deliver 2 billion vaccines to low and lower-middle income countries starting now.”
Agnès Callamard, Secretary General
To coincide with the publication of today’s report, Amnesty International is launching a global campaign – backed by the World Health Organisation and High Commissioner for Human Rights – to hold states and big pharma to account. The 100 Day Countdown: 2 billion Covid-19 vaccines now! is demanding that the World Health Organisation’s target of vaccinating 40% of the population of low and lower-middle income countries by the end of the year is met. We are calling upon states to urgently redistribute the hundreds of millions of excess doses currently sitting idle and for vaccine developers to ensure that at least 50% of doses produced go to these countries. If states and pharma companies continue down their current path, there will be no end in sight for Covid-19.

“Armed with billions of dollars of tax-payers money and expertise from research institutions, pharmaceutical companies have played a pivotal role in developing life-saving vaccines. But now they must take immediate action to provide billions more people with the chance to be inoculated. To achieve a fair and rapid roll-out, vaccine developers must prioritise deliveries to countries that need them most and suspend their intellectual property rights, share their knowledge and technology and train qualified manufacturers to ramp-up production of Covid-19 vaccines,” said Agnès Callamard.

As President Biden is set to announce new commitments to fight the coronavirus pandemic including fully vaccinating 70 percent of the world’s population by next September, at a summit today (22nd Sept), Agnès Callamard said:

“Covid-19 vaccines must be readily available and accessible for all. It is up to governments and pharma companies to make this a reality. We need leaders like President Biden, to put billions of doses on the table and deliver the goods, otherwise this is just another empty gesture and lives will continue to be lost.”

Amnesty International is also calling on states to ensure that health facilities and medicines, are available, accessible, acceptable and of good quality to everyone. They must adopt laws and policies to ensure pharmaceutical companies conform with human rights standards.

Amnesty International wrote to each company before publication. Five companies – AstraZeneca, Moderna, Pfizer, BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson – responded. The companies acknowledge that fair and equitable distribution, particularly in low-income countries, is essential, but all companies have failed to meet these aspirations and fulfil their human rights responsibilities.

Background

Amnesty International’s report did not assess in detail the Russian and Chinese companies that are producing billions of doses, as these companies disclose less corporate information. This lack of transparency makes it impossible to conduct a full assessment. However, like all companies, they also have human rights responsibilities. They, too, have not distributed their vaccines equitably, reserving the majority of doses for domestic consumption, and failed to join knowledge and technology sharing pools.

Data on the distribution of vaccines, projected production and revenue forecasts for each company was drawn from Airfinity, a data science company. Data on vaccination rates in different countries was taken from Our World In Data.

Using data from these sources, Amnesty has calculated that an additional 1.2 billion people in low and lower-middle income countries would need to be vaccinated by the end of the year to meet the WHO’s target of vaccinating 40% of the population in these countries. This would require over 2 billion vaccines. If just 50% of the world’s projected vaccine production until the end of the year was distributed to low and lower-middle income countries, it would provide 2.6 billion vaccines.

Source: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...s-fuelling-unprecedented-human-rights-crisis/
 
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I never said vaccines don't serve a purpose, but the idea that people should be coerced into having a medical procedure performed on them doesn't sit well with me.

My doctor advised me to take the vaccine because I have asthma, which puts me in the high risk category. That is why I chose to take the vaccine, but I liked the fact that I had the bodily autonomy to make that decision. Nobody threatened to take away my job or to not allow me entrance into their business in order to get me to take the vaccine, and that's how I believe it should be. You think it's selfish to not take the vaccine, and I think it's authoritarian to demand people take the vaccine or face becoming a social outcast.

And as for it being a "conspiracy" to believe big pharma is only in it for the money, I suppose they buy politicians who block universal healthcare in the US because they care.

So let me turn this around and ask how you account for the findings of this article from Amnesty International that was released in September:

New report shows leading Covid-19 vaccine pharma companies fuelling unprecedented human rights crisis​

  • AstraZeneca, BioNTech, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Novavax and Pfizer refused to participate in initiatives to boost global vaccine supply
  • Less than 1% of people in low-income countries are fully vaccinated, compared to 55% in rich countries
  • BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer set to earn US$130 billion by the end of 2022
  • Ahead of President Biden’s global Covid-19 summit, Amnesty International throws down gauntlet and calls for 2 billion vaccines to be delivered to low and lower-middle income countries before end of the year
Six companies at the helm of the Covid-19 vaccine roll-out are fuelling an unprecedented human rights crisis through their refusal to waive intellectual property rights and share vaccine technology, with most failing to prioritise vaccine deliveries to poorer countries, Amnesty International said today.

In a new report, A Double Dose of Inequality: Pharma companies and the Covid-19 vaccines crisis, the organization assessed six of the companies that hold the fate of billions of people in their hands: AstraZeneca plc, BioNTech SE, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Inc., Novavax, Inc. and Pfizer, Inc. It paints a dismal picture of an industry that is woefully failing to respect human rights.

“Vaccinating the world is our only pathway out of this crisis. It should be time to hail these companies, who created vaccines so quickly, as heroes. But instead, to their shame and our collective grief, Big Pharma’s intentional blocking of knowledge transfer and their wheeling and dealing in favor of wealthy states has brewed an utterly predictable and utterly devastating vaccine scarcity for so many others” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

“Its plunging parts of Latin America, Africa and Asia into renewed crises, pushing weakened health systems to the very brink and causing tens of thousands of preventable deaths every week. In many low-income countries not even health workers and people at-risk have received the vaccine.”

“Against the backdrop of these gross inequalities BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer are set to make US$130 billion combined by the end of 2022. Profits should never come before lives.”

Failing to meet human rights responsibilities

In order to assess their response to the crisis, Amnesty International reviewed each company’s human rights policy, vaccine pricing structure, their records on intellectual property, knowledge and technology sharing, the fair allocation of available vaccine doses, and transparency. It found that to differing degrees, the six vaccine developers had failed to meet their human rights responsibilities.

Out of 5.76 billion doses administered worldwide, a paltry 0.3% have gone to low-income countries with over 79% going to upper-middle and high-income countries. Despite calls to prioritise and collaborate with COVAX Facility, the international instrument aiming to ensure a fair global vaccine allocation, some of the assessed companies have continued to stock up vaccine supplies for states known to be hoarding the vaccine.

All the companies assessed have so far refused to take part in internationally coordinated initiatives designed to boost global supply by sharing knowledge and technology. They have also opposed proposals to temporarily lift intellectual property rights, such as the World Trade Organization Trade Related Intellectual Property Rules (TRIPS) Waiver proposed by India and South Africa.

Further findings included:

  • Pfizer and BioNTech have so far delivered nine times more vaccines to Sweden alone than to all low-income countries combined – less than 1% of their production so far. High prices mean the companies are set to earn over $86 billion in revenues by the end of 2022.
  • Moderna has not yet delivered a single vaccine dose to a low-income country, has provided just 12% of its vaccines to lower-middle income countries, and will not deliver the vast majority of its orders for COVAX until 2022. Higher prices mean it is set to earn over $47bn in revenues by the end of 2022
  • Johnson & Johnson has developed the world’s only single dose vaccine and sells at cost price, yet it will not deliver the vast majority of its commitments to COVAX and the African Union until 2022. They have also refused to grant a license to a Canadian manufacturer offering to manufacture millions more doses.
  • Astrazeneca has delivered the most vaccines to lower income countries, sells at cost price, and has issued some voluntary licenses to other manufacturers. However, it has refused to openly share its knowledge and technology with WHO initiatives and has opposed the TRIPS Waiver.
  • Novavax has yet to be approved for use, but currently plans to provide almost two-thirds of its production to supply COVAX. However, like others, it has refused to share its knowledge and technology and has opposed the TRIPS Waiver.

Despite most companies receiving billions of dollars in government funding and advance orders, vaccine developers have monopolized intellectual property, blocked technology transfers, and lobbied aggressively against measures that would expand the global manufacturing of these vaccines. Their continued inaction has caused human rights harms suffered by the billions of people still unable to access a lifesaving Covid-19 vaccine.

100-day countdown

“Today marks 100 days until the end of the year. We’re calling on states and pharmaceutical companies to drastically change course and to do everything needed to deliver 2 billion vaccines to low and lower-middle income countries starting now. No one should spend another year suffering and living in fear,” said Agnès Callamard.


To coincide with the publication of today’s report, Amnesty International is launching a global campaign – backed by the World Health Organisation and High Commissioner for Human Rights – to hold states and big pharma to account. The 100 Day Countdown: 2 billion Covid-19 vaccines now! is demanding that the World Health Organisation’s target of vaccinating 40% of the population of low and lower-middle income countries by the end of the year is met. We are calling upon states to urgently redistribute the hundreds of millions of excess doses currently sitting idle and for vaccine developers to ensure that at least 50% of doses produced go to these countries. If states and pharma companies continue down their current path, there will be no end in sight for Covid-19.

“Armed with billions of dollars of tax-payers money and expertise from research institutions, pharmaceutical companies have played a pivotal role in developing life-saving vaccines. But now they must take immediate action to provide billions more people with the chance to be inoculated. To achieve a fair and rapid roll-out, vaccine developers must prioritise deliveries to countries that need them most and suspend their intellectual property rights, share their knowledge and technology and train qualified manufacturers to ramp-up production of Covid-19 vaccines,” said Agnès Callamard.

As President Biden is set to announce new commitments to fight the coronavirus pandemic including fully vaccinating 70 percent of the world’s population by next September, at a summit today (22nd Sept), Agnès Callamard said:

“Covid-19 vaccines must be readily available and accessible for all. It is up to governments and pharma companies to make this a reality. We need leaders like President Biden, to put billions of doses on the table and deliver the goods, otherwise this is just another empty gesture and lives will continue to be lost.”

Amnesty International is also calling on states to ensure that health facilities and medicines, are available, accessible, acceptable and of good quality to everyone. They must adopt laws and policies to ensure pharmaceutical companies conform with human rights standards.

Amnesty International wrote to each company before publication. Five companies – AstraZeneca, Moderna, Pfizer, BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson – responded. The companies acknowledge that fair and equitable distribution, particularly in low-income countries, is essential, but all companies have failed to meet these aspirations and fulfil their human rights responsibilities.

Background

Amnesty International’s report did not assess in detail the Russian and Chinese companies that are producing billions of doses, as these companies disclose less corporate information. This lack of transparency makes it impossible to conduct a full assessment. However, like all companies, they also have human rights responsibilities. They, too, have not distributed their vaccines equitably, reserving the majority of doses for domestic consumption, and failed to join knowledge and technology sharing pools.

Data on the distribution of vaccines, projected production and revenue forecasts for each company was drawn from Airfinity, a data science company. Data on vaccination rates in different countries was taken from Our World In Data.

Using data from these sources, Amnesty has calculated that an additional 1.2 billion people in low and lower-middle income countries would need to be vaccinated by the end of the year to meet the WHO’s target of vaccinating 40% of the population in these countries. This would require over 2 billion vaccines. If just 50% of the world’s projected vaccine production until the end of the year was distributed to low and lower-middle income countries, it would provide 2.6 billion vaccines.

Source: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...s-fuelling-unprecedented-human-rights-crisis/
I agree with you that people should have the choice whether or not they want to be vaccinated but their choice has consequences. If someone isn't vaccinated why do they demand to mix with people they could pass covid-19 on to? It's like if someone is HIV positive and they choose not to put PrEp into their bodies and they demand being able to have unprotected sex with future partners without telling them of their status. Surely in both cases the responsible thing is to consider the impact their choice will have on others?

Governments should be changing their laws to waive patents for covid vaccines for as long as the pandemic exists so cheap generic versions of the vaccines can be made. Governments should also be sendng some of their vaccine stockpiles to poorer countries. Recently, the UK government threw away 600,000 vaccine doses because they expired when they could hasn't sent them to other countries before it was too late. Yes, pharmaceutical companies need to put lives before profits but governments should be forcing then to do so.
 
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