Doctor Who

[pete lashmar]

One problem, at least for me is that the Timeless Child directly contradicts many Dr Who stories.
IE The Fugitive Doctor/Jo Martin version supposedly predates Hartnell.
Yet if the Fugitive Doctor is traveling the Universe, How to explain William Hartnell leaving Gallifrey with Susan?

The events of "An Unearthly Child", "War Games" "Three Doctors, "'Castrovalva", "Five Doctors", "Remembrance of the Daleks", directly contradict the Timeless Child.
"Day of the Daleks" "Resurrection of the Daleks" and " Earthshock " clearly show Hartnell as the First Doctor,
as well as "Vampires of Venice"

Omega's sacrifice in the Black Hole is meaningless, then.

Before citing "The Brain of Morbius" There is no clear answer about who those faces are - It is most likely past incarnations of Morbius"

During the Matt Smith Era, Clara is seen talking to William Hartnell as he leaves Gallifrey with Susan, directly
contradicting the Timeless Child, if the Fugitive Doctor predates Hartnell.

Also, Clara encountered every incarnation of the Doctor, None before Hartnell.
Capaldi's final story, "Twice upon a Time", clarifies that Hartnell is the First Doctor.

In "Trial of a Time Lord" the Master tells the Doctor that the Valeyard is the Doctor between 12 and 13 (13 being his final self)

If the Doctor can endlessly regenerate, The drama of Matt Smith's "final" incarnation
is a moot point, with no drama.
For that matter, the Doctor is almost never in any real danger, if he can regenerate endlessly.
If Jon Pertwee's ability to Time Travel was stripped by the Time Lords, it begs the question about whether they really had
the capability to do so in the first place, since the TARDIS is mentally connected to the Doctor.

Also, why would it take 13 (14?) incarnations of the Doctor before apprehension by a supposedly skilled space enforcement group?

All these things happened, nothing has changed because of The Timeless Child plot. All the previous Doctors prior to Hatrnell had their memories erased, we have seen that in the show. So why do people, who aren't fans of it keep talking about the contradictions>

There are none...unless someone can point out any.

As for Omega, Rassilon and "the other" creating time travel from the black hole, how does The Timeless child alter that> It doesn't at all, it all still happened.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

All these things happened, nothing has changed because of The Timeless Child plot. All the previous Doctors prior to Hatrnell had their memories erased, we have seen that in the show. So why do people, who aren't fans of it keep talking about the contradictions>

There are none...unless someone can point out any.

As for Omega, Rassilon and "the other" creating time travel from the black hole, how does The Timeless child alter that> It doesn't at all, it all still happened.

I have watched Dr Who regularly since the Tom Baker era (I refuse to acknowledge the current era as legitimate DW), I have met Colin Baker,
Louise Jamieson, Terrance Dicks, Mary Tamm and Katy Manning, have purchased a large number of DW books and CD's. Disagree with me if you like, but I am a fan.
The last episode , "Legend of the Sea Devils", had the lowest same day viewing number in the show's 59 year history, and a low AI score (76).
Season 12 was the lowest or 2nd lowest viewed season ever, and Season 13 is even lower so far.
Clearly, many, many longtime fans are disgusted with Chibnall/JW era.

 

[pete lashmar]

I have watched Dr Who regularly since the Tom Baker era (I refuse to acknowledge the current era as legitimate DW), I have met Colin Baker,
Louise Jamieson, Terrance Dicks, Mary Tamm and Katy Manning, have purchased a large number of DW books and CD's. Disagree with me if you like, but I am a fan.
The last episode , "Legend of the Sea Devils", had the lowest same day viewing number in the show's 59 year history, and a low AI score (76).
Season 12 was the lowest or 2nd lowest viewed season ever, and Season 13 is even lower so far.
Clearly, many, many longtime fans are disgusted with Chibnall/JW era.

Ratings on every TV show are down, the latest "failure" a week or so ago may have had a very low rating but it still beat a primetime 9pm drama on BBC1 the same night (Gentleman Jack).

I'm sorry you haven't enjoyed this era, but many do and Jodie has been a fantastic ambassador for the show.

There are also many many long time fans who switched off just because a female was cast. Fandom has become toxic in places because of it. I personally feel that the Doctor should be a male, but that hasn't stopped my enjoyment of this era.

 

[darkshadows38]

i agree it should be a male character but i'm not gonna stop watching it cause it's female currently i do enjoy her doctor but than i said the same thing about Matt Smith that he was far too young and i enjoyed him too so you never really know. it's not always the casting but again the writing. i wasn't offended that it was a woman this time around is what i am saying unlike some people apparently

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

i agree it should be a male character but i'm not gonna stop watching it cause it's female currently i do enjoy her doctor but than i said the same thing about Matt Smith that he was far too young and i enjoyed him too so you never really know. it's not always the casting but again the writing. i wasn't offended that it was a woman this time around is what i am saying unlike some people apparently

Where the main issue rests is whether casting a woman makes narrative sense, and it appears to be more gimmick casting than anything else.
Another point is that people are under no obligation to accept a casting change, man or woman. It is entertainment and people have subjective taste.
Judging by the ratings and the reviews, the Chibnall Whitaker years have been a disaster, by the OBJECTIVE viewing numbers and AI, which are at record lows.

 

[pete lashmar]

The ratings average for the last series (Flux) averaged at around 4.9m - considering that Coronation Street gets around 5.5m Emmerdale gets around 4.2m and Eastenders around 2.8m.

Ratings are no longer king and Doctor Who especially boosts in figures with overnight, +7 and +21 day ratings.

Some may point and say that the current era is the least watched and that fans are switching off but people watch their shows how and when they want to nowadays.

Doctor Who is not in a crisis, the fact the the BBC ordered an extra special to celebrate their centenary later this year is proof of that. Also, the fact the RTD is returning as showrunner in association with Bad Wolf Productions, now part of the Sony company tells everyone that it is still, and will continue to be a hot property for the BBC.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

The ratings average for the last series (Flux) averaged at around 4.9m - considering that Coronation Street gets around 5.5m Emmerdale gets around 4.2m and Eastenders around 2.8m.

Ratings are no longer king and Doctor Who especially boosts in figures with overnight, +7 and +21 day ratings.

Some may point and say that the current era is the least watched and that fans are switching off but people watch their shows how and when they want to nowadays.

Doctor Who is not in a crisis, the fact the the BBC ordered an extra special to celebrate their centenary later this year is proof of that. Also, the fact the RTD is returning as showrunner in association with Bad Wolf Productions, now part of the Sony company tells everyone that it is still, and will continue to be a hot property for the BBC.

Also, the fact the RTD is returning as showrunner in association with Bad Wolf Productions, now part of the Sony company tells everyone that it is still, and will continue to be a hot property for the BBC.


On the contrary, the fact that Russell T Davies is returning is an acknowledgement that the series is broken, and needs the best available showrunner, one who knows how to make it work.

Your analysis is somewhat incomplete.

Series 13 Flux had the benefit of increasing its viewing numbers over a seven day period, and is still the lowest viewed series since
DW returned in 2005, even lower than the previous bottom of series 12, another Chibnall/.JW disaster.

You didn't mention the Appreciation Index for Series 13, which averaged 76.7, ranging from 75 to 79. again,
the lowest figures since the 2005 return. The previous low avg of 80 was... You guessed it, Chibnall/Whitaker Season 12.
Even the decreasing number of people who are watching people who are watching do not rate the show well at all.

Season 13 also includes "Revolution of the Daleks", ratings 4.30 million, AI 77 and Legend of the Sea Devils, ratings 3.47, AI 76, again
record/near record lows.

BBC America ratings are also at an all-time low, averaging a paltry 334,000 for Season 13 Flux

Doctor Who: Season 13 Ratings

This show has been a fixture of UK television for a long time and, despite any fluctuations in the ratings, it's not going anywhere. We know it won't be

tvseriesfinale.com

The centenary special would likely have happened anyway, it doesn't affirm anything. Remember, Season 13 was reworked on the scheduling of episodes.
It wasn't necessarily special ordered. The BBC is celebrating all of its history, as I understand it, and Doctor Who is an
major part of its history.

I am disappointed that Janet Fielding and Sophie Aldred are choosing to participating in this farce of a once great show

JW's episode count is the lowest since the 2005 return. Not exactly a vote of confidence.

Just as a result of my observations, Dr Who merchandise was once plentiful, and now has dwindled on the shelves, well before the Pandemic.

Being a Doctor Fan, for me at least, means speaking out when it has lost its way.


These are facts, objective realities, vis a vis ratings/AI

Again, What era an individual likes is their own taste, but facts don't care about individual opinions

I don't understand how anyone can defend this shambles, this hideous decimation of a beloved show that was once
fun, escapist entertainment for millions of people worldwide

 

[pete lashmar]

Also, the fact the RTD is returning as showrunner in association with Bad Wolf Productions, now part of the Sony company tells everyone that it is still, and will continue to be a hot property for the BBC.


On the contrary, the fact that Russell T Davies is returning is an acknowledgement that the series is broken, and needs the best available showrunner, one who knows how to make it work.

Your analysis is somewhat incomplete.

Series 13 Flux had the benefit of increasing its viewing numbers over a seven day period, and is still the lowest viewed series since
DW returned in 2005, even lower than the previous bottom of series 12, another Chibnall/.JW disaster.

You didn't mention the Appreciation Index for Series 13, which averaged 76.7, ranging from 75 to 79. again,
the lowest figures since the 2005 return. The previous low avg of 80 was... You guessed it, Chibnall/Whitaker Season 12.
Even the decreasing number of people who are watching people who are watching do not rate the show well at all.

Season 13 also includes "Revolution of the Daleks", ratings 4.30 million, AI 77 and Legend of the Sea Devils, ratings 3.47, AI 76, again
record/near record lows.

BBC America ratings are also at an all-time low, averaging a paltry 334,000 for Season 13 Flux

Doctor Who: Season 13 Ratings

This show has been a fixture of UK television for a long time and, despite any fluctuations in the ratings, it's not going anywhere. We know it won't be

tvseriesfinale.com

The centenary special would likely have happened anyway, it doesn't affirm anything. Remember, Season 13 was reworked on the scheduling of episodes.
It wasn't necessarily special ordered. The BBC is celebrating all of its history, as I understand it, and Doctor Who is an
major part of its history.

I am disappointed that Janet Fielding and Sophie Aldred are choosing to participating in this farce of a once great show

JW's episode count is the lowest since the 2005 return. Not exactly a vote of confidence.

Just as a result of my observations, Dr Who merchandise was once plentiful, and now has dwindled on the shelves, well before the Pandemic.

Being a Doctor Fan, for me at least, means speaking out when it has lost its way.


These are facts, objective realities, vis a vis ratings/AI

Again, What era an individual likes is their own taste, but facts don't care about individual opinions

I don't understand how anyone can defend this shambles, this hideous decimation of a beloved show that was once
fun, escapist entertainment for millions of people worldwide

RTD returning to"save" the show is absolutely ridiculous and it's something that haters of the current era trot out whenever they possibly can.

The fact is RTD would not return to the show unless he absolutely wanted to. He's not coming back to save anything - he is in fact a big fan of the Timeless Child plot and has some very fresh ideas for the show and loves The Doctor being female. If he casts a 2nd female that would almost certainly grate with haters of the current era.

Merchandise of been on the downturn since Moffat took over the show years ago, the fact anyone uses the current era to slate the level of merchandise just shows the level at which they'll go - ignoring Moffat altogether and the damage he did to the shelves of supermarkets and shops.

As for not understanding anyone defending the shambles of the current show - well that show's utter contempt for anyone who has a differing opinion. I love the Whittaker/Chibnal era - it's been great fun to watch with some fantastic stories. SFX have been better than ever, the theme tune is the best since Series 4 and the show itself has never looks so glorious.

But's that's just my opinion - and millions of people worldwide who still enjoy it too.

As for ratings and AI I agree they are lower, but as previously mentioned all show's are suffering of late and are down - people watch TV differently now and although AI's are also down, they are not disastrous by any stretch of the imagination,

 

[darkshadows38]

this is what her 3rd season? her 1st though was f... terrible i think there was maybe 2 or 3 gems and that's it the rest were garbage, i loved that they had new enemies don't get me wrong but the scripts for the majority of her 1st season were terrible. her 2nd was a vast improvement but it still needed better scripts and her last season i still need to watch to be fair

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I can't wait for Jodie to go!

I am hoping, with fingers well & truly crossed that Russell T. Davies casts a male as the Doctor again.

I'd be fine if it was Fady Elsayed.

The show needs saved & Russell is the man to do it.

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Agreed JW is a mediocre actress at best, and woefully miscast.
Judging by the record low ratings and record low AI, a female Doctor has not worked.

 

[darkshadows38]

i don't think it's her at all it's the bad writing it's Chris Chimball or however the hell ya spell his last name? he's an awful writer who i think has done a small percent of episodes i've really enjoyed. but he's a terrible show runner so i can't fault Jodie. Colin Baker was a decent doctor and had promise but the writing for his 1st season anyways wasn't the best either from what i've seen anyways and i don't put blame on him either for that

 

[darkshadows38]

i do think while i do like her doctor to me if felt like when they announced it was going to be a woman they wanted to make history rather than who is best for the job, i know the doctor can pretty much change into anyone when he's got a regeneration i mean gender wise actually i'm curious if they ever will do a Ginger lol. only for his responses if they go back to being male that is I'm A Ginger and his response to that lol. when the 60th shows up next year apparently if my memory is right i think Matt Smith and David Tennet are coming back for it and the recent Doctors i'd love if they brought some of the older ones back. like well Tom Baker for one of course he can't move around as he used to since he's almost 90 years old! but he could be written in so he doesn't have to have any chase scenes

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

An idea for RTD:

Ncuti Gatwa is... the 7th Doctor!

At the conclusion of TOTL, Season 23, Colin Baker, 6th Doctor, departs from Gallifrey with Mel. The "Keeper" of the Matrix is the Valeyard who is laughing.
What if the Doctor has been traveling in an alternative world in the Matrix, and the following incarnations took place there?
How to explain subsequent appearances.. Well, RTD can figure that out.
As with Matt Smith regaining his younger form, the doctor can "return" to his 6th self and regenerate upon leaving the Matrix?
I'm not sure that we will see a full regeneration in JW's final (good riddance!) story.
As for Colin Baker's "younger" self", TOTL footage can be used

An entire new more cohesive continuity can take place, and the hideous, bogus, disgraceful Timeless Child myth can be erased.
BTW even if the Doctor's memory was wiped, his adversaries would remember.
On at least two occassions, the Daleks probed the Doctor's mind, and WH was First/
In the Mental Battle with Morbius, the other faces are most likely those of Morbius.
If they were previous Doctors, than the Doctor's mind was not wiped,.
When the Daleks probed the Doctor's mind, they would have been using superior technology.
Why would inferior tech in the Morbius episode be more accurate than that of the Daleks?
If Hartnell was the First Doctor to leave Gallifrey, and the Jo Martin Doctor predates WH, it is a major contradiction.

 

[pete lashmar]

The Timeless Child happened - yet it changes nothing.

Hatred is a terrible thing and hatred within Doctor Who has become utterly toxic - how ironic that the very show that teaches about love and understanding and acceptance has such toxic comments aimed towards it.

If you don't like something fine, but it's a TV show, either stop watching or stop bitching because it's become seriously horrible to read on forums.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

The Timeless Child happened - yet it changes nothing.

Hatred is a terrible thing and hatred within Doctor Who has become utterly toxic - how ironic that the very show that teaches about love and understanding and acceptance has such toxic comments aimed towards it.

If you don't like something fine, but it's a TV show, either stop watching or stop bitching because it's become seriously horrible to read on forums.

Such hostility, my goodness!

To object to the Horrible casting, worse writing, hiring of writers and directors with no sci-fi backgrounds, misguided (at best)
concepts by the Showrunner is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Are you going to call everyone who disagrees with you Toxic? That is just throwing a tantrum when you can't make a point otherwise
in an intelligent reasoned manner.

FACT: When Peter Davison (5th Doctor... or is it more like the 1,005 according to the bogus Timeless Child concept)
expressed objections to the casting of a female Doctor, he was bombarded with so much venom that he left Twitter.
Want to say again who the toxic "fans" are?
FACT: "Legend of the Sea Devils had the lowest same day ratings in the shows 59 year history.
FACT: Season 13 has not only the lowest (or 2nd Lowest) average viewing ratings but also the lowest appreciation index.
Even people who watch the show are rating it poorly.
FACT: "Legend of the Sea Devils" scored a record low 334,000 viewers on BBC America

Not exactly signs of a healthy franchise.

To be a Doctor Who fan includes not only the right, but also the obligation to point out when the show has lost it's way,
especially when the BBC has prioritized woke, SJW ideology above producing a quality show

People have heavily criticized seasons 11-14 of Dallas. By your logic, are they also toxic fans?

To be clear, I WILL NOT BE SILENT about how the powers that be have almost destroyed what was once a wonderful,
magical franchise, and I NEVER WILL.

BTW , I don't have to stop watching. I refuse to watch any episode featuring this mediocre actress who is completely
incapable of playing the role. RTD has his work cut out for him to revive this troubled franchise. The newly cast Doctor
will no doubt be better than JW. I am not disrespecting him, he may be a very good actor, but It is not a high bar.

Also, no one who dislikes the current regime is causing the record low ratings. People have stopped watching the show
because it is just not good anymore

Also, You have not addressed any of the contradictions that I have pointed out, about the wretched Timeless Child story.
Much easier to just whine, and ignore record low ratings

 

[pete lashmar]

Such hostility, my goodness!

To object to the Horrible casting, worse writing, hiring of writers and directors with no sci-fi backgrounds, misguided (at best)
concepts by the Showrunner is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Are you going to call everyone who disagrees with you Toxic? That is just throwing a tantrum when you can't make a point otherwise
in an intelligent reasoned manner.

FACT: When Peter Davison (5th Doctor... or is it more like the 1,005 according to the bogus Timeless Child concept)
expressed objections to the casting of a female Doctor, he was bombarded with so much venom that he left Twitter.
Want to say again who the toxic "fans" are?
FACT: "Legend of the Sea Devils had the lowest same day ratings in the shows 59 year history.
FACT: Season 13 has not only the lowest (or 2nd Lowest) average viewing ratings but also the lowest appreciation index.
Even people who watch the show are rating it poorly.
FACT: "Legend of the Sea Devils" scored a record low 334,000 viewers on BBC America

Not exactly signs of a healthy franchise.

To be a Doctor Who fan includes not only the right, but also the obligation to point out when the show has lost it's way,
especially when the BBC has prioritized woke, SJW ideology above producing a quality show

People have heavily criticized seasons 11-14 of Dallas. By your logic, are they also toxic fans?

To be clear, I WILL NOT BE SILENT about how the powers that be have almost destroyed what was once a wonderful,
magical franchise, and I NEVER WILL.

BTW , I don't have to stop watching. I refuse to watch any episode featuring this mediocre actress who is completely
incapable of playing the role. RTD has his work cut out for him to revive this troubled franchise. The newly cast Doctor
will no doubt be better than JW. I am not disrespecting him, he may be a very good actor, but It is not a high bar.

Also, no one who dislikes the current regime is causing the record low ratings. People have stopped watching the show
because it is just not good anymore

Also, You have not addressed any of the contradictions that I have pointed out, about the wretched Timeless Child story.
Much easier to just whine, and ignore record low ratings

Capital letters, exclamation marks....toxic.

People can disagree with me and I them, I have no issue with that but your posts are personal to you, it's how you feel, they are not FACTS that everyone feels the same way.

TV ratings for all shows is down - every show is losing viewers because they watch TV differently now, people stream, watch online, watch on catch=up but overall ratings are down across the board for just about everything/

And why even get so worked up over a TV show???

Also I have addressed all the points of The Timeless Child story, read back on the posts - The Timeless Child changes absolutely nothing and has no long term relevance other than the main character in a fictional TV show having their mind wiped multiple times - everything we know happened happened.

I'm sure there were people watching The War Games devastated that The Doctor's race had finally been revealed, and again in The Three Doctors when 1-3 appeared with "The Time Lords", and during The Time Warrior when Galifrey was mentioned as the name of the home planet or the 12 regeneration limit being mentioned in The Deadly Assassin or the multiple images shows as The Doctor fought Morbius or when 7 revealed he was "so much more than a Time Lord" (which he actually didn't because it was cut out of the episode - but he did imply that he was around when the Time Lords were at the height of the powers and fully involved.

Doctor Who is a fluid TV show, it has changed over the years, new backstories have been created, new legends have been created - The Timeless Child is just another evolution in the show, but again, it changes absolutely nothing for the history we have seen.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Capital letters, exclamation marks....toxic.

People can disagree with me and I them, I have no issue with that but your posts are personal to you, it's how you feel, they are not FACTS that everyone feels the same way.

TV ratings for all shows is down - every show is losing viewers because they watch TV differently now, people stream, watch online, watch on catch=up but overall ratings are down across the board for just about everything/

And why even get so worked up over a TV show???

Also I have addressed all the points of The Timeless Child story, read back on the posts - The Timeless Child changes absolutely nothing and has no long term relevance other than the main character in a fictional TV show having their mind wiped multiple times - everything we know happened happened.

I'm sure there were people watching The War Games devastated that The Doctor's race had finally been revealed, and again in The Three Doctors when 1-3 appeared with "The Time Lords", and during The Time Warrior when Galifrey was mentioned as the name of the home planet or the 12 regeneration limit being mentioned in The Deadly Assassin or the multiple images shows as The Doctor fought Morbius or when 7 revealed he was "so much more than a Time Lord" (which he actually didn't because it was cut out of the episode - but he did imply that he was around when the Time Lords were at the height of the powers and fully involved.

Doctor Who is a fluid TV show, it has changed over the years, new backstories have been created, new legends have been created - The Timeless Child is just another evolution in the show, but again, it changes absolutely nothing for the history we have seen.

I cited facts, they are not disputable. Ratings ARE at all time lows, even with a 7 day period.

Capital Letters and Exclamation points are not toxic. There is no personal insult in them, merely emphasis, especially on points that you
fail to acknowledge

You do have an issue with people disagreeing with you when you tell me to stop talking

If you don't like something fine, but it's a TV show, either stop watching or stop bitching

As far as horrible to read on forums, only because you disagree.
Forums exist for all points of view, not just the ones that you like

If you like this era, why do you care what I think, or what anyone else thinks?

It's just a TV show? Isn't this a forum about TV shows?


People may be watching Tv differently, but I heard no such defense for the Capaldi era when ratings were lower than Matt Smiths
Come to think of it, Nos such comments when Matt Smith didn't have Davis Tennant's ratings.

I'm sure there were people watching The War Games devastated that The Doctor's race had finally been revealed, and again in The Three Doctors when 1-3 appeared with "The Time Lords", and during The Time Warrior when Galifrey was mentioned as the name of the home planet or the 12 regeneration limit being mentioned in The Deadly Assassin or the multiple images shows as The Doctor fought Morbius or when 7 revealed he was "so much more than a Time Lord" (which he actually didn't because it was cut out of the episode - but he did imply that he was around when the Time Lords were at the height of the powers and fully involved.

These items did not contradict an established continuity in a fictional universe. They built on an established mythology in a way that enhanced
the show.

The Timeless Child contradicts continuity for many, many reasons, and no you have not answered fully.

IE, If the Timeless Child changes nothing as you say, why didn't Clara see other Doctors? Why is Matt Smith the Final incarnation?
Why didn't Time Lords modify their biology to regenerate endlessly?
If Hartnell is the first to leave Gallifrey, how do you explain the Jo Martin Doctor predating Hartnell while traveling?
Why do none of the Doctor's enemies cite pre-Hartnell incarnations
Why does the Dalek's mind probe show no other Doctors?
Why did the Fiftieth Anniversary not display any other possible Doctors?
The McCoy era hinted at deeper mysteries, but in keeping with continuity, left it up to the viewer, they didn't construct an entire bogus
backstory that contradicts...everything.

These are only a few observations.

The name of the show is Doctor WHO. Chibnall has eliminated the very mystery of the name with a(bogus) in-depth backstory.

If you are going to call everyone who disagrees with you toxic, and resort to name calling and demand that I not watch or comment,
it only shows a tantrum, not a reasoned, intelligent response.

I will continue to honor the Real Doctor Who from 1963 to 2017, Not this farce being shown under the DW name

 

[pete lashmar]

I cited facts, they are not disputable. Ratings ARE at all time lows, even with a 7 day period.

Capital Letters and Exclamation points are not toxic. There is no personal insult in them, merely emphasis, especially on points that you
fail to acknowledge

You do have an issue with people disagreeing with you when you tell me to stop talking

If you don't like something fine, but it's a TV show, either stop watching or stop bitching

As far as horrible to read on forums, only because you disagree.
Forums exist for all points of view, not just the ones that you like

If you like this era, why do you care what I think, or what anyone else thinks?

It's just a TV show? Isn't this a forum about TV shows?


People may be watching Tv differently, but I heard no such defense for the Capaldi era when ratings were lower than Matt Smiths
Come to think of it, Nos such comments when Matt Smith didn't have Davis Tennant's ratings.

I'm sure there were people watching The War Games devastated that The Doctor's race had finally been revealed, and again in The Three Doctors when 1-3 appeared with "The Time Lords", and during The Time Warrior when Galifrey was mentioned as the name of the home planet or the 12 regeneration limit being mentioned in The Deadly Assassin or the multiple images shows as The Doctor fought Morbius or when 7 revealed he was "so much more than a Time Lord" (which he actually didn't because it was cut out of the episode - but he did imply that he was around when the Time Lords were at the height of the powers and fully involved.

These items did not contradict an established continuity in a fictional universe. They built on an established mythology in a way that enhanced
the show.

The Timeless Child contradicts continuity for many, many reasons, and no you have not answered fully.

IE, If the Timeless Child changes nothing as you say, why didn't Clara see other Doctors? Why is Matt Smith the Final incarnation?
Why didn't Time Lords modify their biology to regenerate endlessly?
If Hartnell is the first to leave Gallifrey, how do you explain the Jo Martin Doctor predating Hartnell while traveling?
Why do none of the Doctor's enemies cite pre-Hartnell incarnations
Why does the Dalek's mind probe show no other Doctors?
Why did the Fiftieth Anniversary not display any other possible Doctors?
The McCoy era hinted at deeper mysteries, but in keeping with continuity, left it up to the viewer, they didn't construct an entire bogus
backstory that contradicts...everything.

These are only a few observations.

The name of the show is Doctor WHO. Chibnall has eliminated the very mystery of the name with a(bogus) in-depth backstory.

If you are going to call everyone who disagrees with you toxic, and resort to name calling and demand that I not watch or comment,
it only shows a tantrum, not a reasoned, intelligent response.

I will continue to honor the Real Doctor Who from 1963 to 2017, Not this farce being shown under the DW name

As I explained, Doctor Who is a show that is fluid - Genesis of the Daleks completely contradicts The Daleks, Destiny of the Daleks contradicts all Dalek stories prior because it states they are robots. So many examples over the years where the show has re-written it's own history.

As Steven Moffat said, it's Timey Wimey.

Galifrey could only ever be visited at the current time, Moffat changed that in Listen, Galifrey was destroyed, saved, destroyed, saved...the show endlessly contradicts itself depending on who the showrunner is.

All the Timeless Child does is give us a new mystery, by all accounts it will be left as it is with no explanation who the Fugitive Doctor is - was she pre Hartnell or was she between 2 & 3 - is the Doctor from another universe, does he/she have unlimited regenerations or are we back at 12 - 11 stated he had over 500 lives left, so who knows.

Why haven't pre- Hartnell Doctors battled with Daleks, Cybermen etc, well because they just never did, that history comes from the show that we have seen.

In Genesis Davros clearly states there is no alien life away from Skaro, yet according to Moffat he met The Doctor as a child and knew it all along...wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

The Doctor has 2 hearts, but not until his 2nd regeneration - during Hartnell's era he only had 1 heart.

8 was half human (on his mother's side)

 

[pete lashmar]

So, David and Catherine Tate back for the 60th. Donna is probably my favourite companion after Sarah Jane Smith, she's simply incredible and brilliantly played by Catherine.

I sincerely hope that their appearance is a timey wimey one from back during their time together rather than change Donna's departure, which, as heartbreaking as it was, it shouldn't be played with IMO.

But so happy to have them back in the show - exciting times ahead, especially with a brand new Doctor....if they get to appear with 14.

 

[Daniel Avery]

So, David and Catherine Tate back for the 60th. Donna is probably my favourite companion after Sarah Jane Smith, she's simply incredible and brilliantly played by Catherine.

I sincerely hope that their appearance is a timey wimey one from back during their time together rather than change Donna's departure, which, as heartbreaking as it was, it shouldn't be played with IMO.

I also rate Donna just below Sarah Jane, which is quite an accomplishment for a (basically) one-season character. And since Tegan is my #3, you can imagine I'm getting pretty excited.

As much as I still hate what they did to Donna, I also think they ought to leave it alone now that it actually happened. Pick up Ten and Donna from some point in their adventures pre-DoctorDonna and have them just sort of walk through the plotline of the current cast like tourists walking through a film shot. Have none of the characters know who they are---like maybe the Current Doctor is not around whenever Ten and/or Donna pops up to make it easier, so the duo only interacts with the companion(s) or the guest actors of that episode.

Edited to add: looks like we'll get to see one more familiar, beloved face...
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