Doctor Who

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I would agree with that, I most definitely switched off as did others at work who used to enjoy Dr Who, the daft plots, PC/woke storylines, the iffy acting

The thought of David Tennant once more is good news! even for a short period of time

Thank You Barbara, I am glad that someone can the reality of the situation

 

[Angela Channing]

You must be kidding! Basically the whole Chibnall era

Casting the first female Doctor without any narrative explanation, looks like stunt casting

Chibnall said he always wanted the Doctor to be a woman, thereby eliminating many better potential candidates

JW disrespectings fans of the classic series when she said that it was a celebration of white males

Hiring writers and directors with little to no sci-fi experience, in large part because of their politics/ideology

instead of using the best available talent

Storylines where men are overwhelmingly portrayed as evil, villainous and incompetent with little to no
balance toward positive images.

A pregnant man!

A response of "I've been upgraded" when the person remarked that the Doctor is a man

Dan is useless as a companion,

Almost no man played any kind of positive role in the final episode - It could have been titled "Women save the World" according to one utuber

Go to utub and check out Gary from Nerdrotic for fuller explanations

Featuring women in prominent roles is not "PC/woke" it's reflecting the real world in which women have prominent roles. It's like saying people beathing air is PC/woke. As for "Storylines where men are overwhelmingly portrayed as evil", Doctor Who having male villains in nothing new and has been a feature of the show dating back to when it first began.

 

[Angela Channing]

You can have an opinion, I have provided far more info, data and facts.

People can read the post and decide what is opinion, data or facts. I think you have expressed your opinion and that's fine, you are entitled to it, but it's not data and facts.

 

[pete lashmar]

I find it fascinating that when all is said and done it's the fact that the 13th Doctor was female that gets "The Haters/Not my Doctor" fans riled up. How damn sexist is that in 2022???

Just because there are loud voices screaming that the show has been ruined and everyone involved should be sacked doesn't mean that every fan has the same opinion. In fact fandom amongst women has grown hugely...is that not a good thing?

As for merchandise, that started vanishing when Moffat took over, absolutely nothing to do with the CB/JW era. Back in the 70's when the show was hugely popular with Tom Baker you were lucky if you got a pair of Doctor Who underpants let alone remote control daleks etc. And let's be honest here, how many Dalek and TARDIS models do you need?

Doctor Who has never been a big hitter ratings wise, it's been popular and sometimes very popular - like when ITV had a strike in 1978 and The City of Death recieved a huge ratings boost or at Christmas when RTD gave us blockbuster episodes, but since RTD left the ratings have gone lower and lower as people walk away from the show, watch it on online etc etc. Some people just give up on shows, I watched Grey's Anatomy for 15 seasons and got bored and walked away....not everyone stays watching a series just because it's on.

But I'm sorry, anyone who takes to youtube with nasty, insulting videos, demanding people get sacked and that the show has become an abomination need to get a grip and a life. Hate speech is never acceptable, especially about a bloody TV programme - as much as I adore and love it *some eras a lot less than others) I will always support it with positivity and light. Anyone who feels "that" angry about a TV show needs to walk away and find something else they can complain about.

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

I would agree with that, I most definitely switched off as did others at work who used to enjoy Dr Who, the daft plots, PC/woke storylines, the iffy acting

The thought of David Tennant once more is good news! even for a short period of time

Well, from a filming point of view, David Tennant has come and gone already. His 2023 specials were shot from May to July this year. Bernard Cribbins was also filming for them, shortly before his death.

Jodie Whittaker wrapped on last Sunday’s episode, just over a year ago, in mid-October 2021.

 

[Daniel Avery]

So, in an effort to change the subject a bit....

Disney doesn't write checks unless there are many strings attached. I worry that a company like Disney, who seems to have a very American-centric view of entertainment, will try to quietly chip away at the very British identity of Doctor Who in an effort to make it more "international" (but in essence make it more Americanized). RTD seems like the type who could push back on those efforts to some degree (or at least hold the Disney "tinkering" at bay) but he can't be there forever. What I dread is the time when, after RTD departs, Disney pushes one of 'their' people into the show-runner role. Without the British flair and identity, I think DW would lose more than it would gain from Disney's deep pockets.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

So, in an effort to change the subject a bit....

Disney doesn't write checks unless there are many strings attached. I worry that a company like Disney, who seems to have a very American-centric view of entertainment, will try to quietly chip away at the very British identity of Doctor Who in an effort to make it more "international" (but in essence make it more Americanized). RTD seems like the type who could push back on those efforts to some degree (or at least hold the Disney "tinkering" at bay) but he can't be there forever. What I dread is the time when, after RTD departs, Disney pushes one of 'their' people into the show-runner role. Without the British flair and identity, I think DW would lose more than it would gain from Disney's deep pockets.

Mostly agree

I don't care for Disney - The fans of both Star Wars and Star Trek (which is owned by Paramount, and fans have the same issues) have expressed discontent (I don't watch either - I can't say one way or the other)
and I don't know what they intend for Marvel characters going forward

Disney is likely to have increasing input in the future. However, there may be a significant role played by China in the production and/or content
of Doctor Who now that Disney is developing a major presence in the China market

 

[Seaviewer]

JW is a mediocre actress who

is ill-suited for the role.

Surely that's a matter of opinion. I found her portrayal of the doctor to be similar to Matt Smith's almost childlike interpretation.

Casting the first female Doctor without any narrative explanation, looks like stunt casting

What narrative explanation was required?

The fans of both Star Wars and Star Trek have expressed discontent

Disney has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm aware.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Surely that's a matter of opinion. I found her portrayal of the doctor to be similar to Matt Smith's almost childlike interpretation.

What narrative explanation was required?

Disney has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm aware.

I meant to mention that Star Trek is owned by Paramount, somehow the dessription was erased - I made the correction to Paramount)

A narrative explanation is needed because it is good writing to address a drastic change in the lead character,
arguably the most drastic change in the show's history.

A matter of opinion supported by facts and data
JW had the two worst seasons, ratings wise since the revival in 2005
Based on same day ratings, JW lost 55% of the audience since her debut episode (8.2 million in her debut ep., 3.7 in the final one)
JW's final episode was the lowest rated regeneration ep in the show's history (same day ratings - 3.7 million, 35% lower than Capaldi's final episode, 5.8 million)

Difficult to get sales numbers for merchandise, but it was noticeably sparse, even in sci-fi stores.

You can check wiki for ratings numbers

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

Surely that's a matter of opinion. I found her portrayal of the doctor to be similar to Matt Smith's almost childlike interpretation.

What narrative explanation was required?

Disney has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm aware.

And The Doctor had, back in The Doctor’s Wife, previously referred to a Time Lord, called The Corsair, who had been both male and female. And The Master became Missy.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

And The Doctor had, back in The Doctor’s Wife, previously referred to a Time Lord, called The Corsair, who had been both male and female. And The Master became Missy.

Which has nothing to do with the decling ratings.

Also We don't know how the Master became Missy. Peter Capaldi and John Simms did not recognize her, at least at first, contradicting the series
narrative that a Time Lord will recognize another Time Lord even in another incarnation. Interestingly, John Simms said 'don't bother to regenerate - maybe Missy was a body possession like Anthony Ainley's Master, or Eric Roberts' Master There is some question. Also the 8th Doctor did not regenerate into a female in an all female environment on Karn and he was "medically" treated by a woman on Karn. Patrick Troughton's choice of new body's was all male.
Mathematically, the odds of regenerating 13 times in a row into a male body (if either is possible) is the same as flipping a coin 13 straight times and getting one side,
far less than 1%.


As for Corsair, what did River say - "The Doctor lies!"

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

Surely that's a matter of opinion. I found her portrayal of the doctor to be similar to Matt Smith's almost childlike interpretation.

What narrative explanation was required?

Disney has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm aware.

And The Doctor had, back in The Doctor’s Wife, previously referred to a Time Lord, called The Corsair, who had been both male and female. And then The Master became Missy.

Which has nothing to do with the decling ratings.

Also We don't know how the Master became Missy. Peter Capaldi and John Simms did not recognize her, at least at first, contradicting the series
narrative that a Time Lord will recognize another Time Lord even in another incarnation. Interestingly, John Simms said 'don't bother to regenerate - maybe Missy was a body possession like Anthony Ainley's Master, or Eric Roberts' Master There is some question. Also the 8th Doctor did not regenerate into a female in an all female environment on Karn and he was "medically" treated by a woman on Karn. Patrick Troughton's choice of new body's was all male.
Mathematically, the odds of regenerating 13 times in a row into a male body (if either is possible) is the same as flipping a coin 13 straight times and getting one side,
far less than 1%.


As for Corsair, what did River say - "The Doctor lies!"

Well, I don’t really think the choice of bodies in The War Games is conclusive. It was an enforced and limited choice as part of The Doctor’s punishment. Bernard Horsfall’s Time Lord is in a bit of a hurry! Plus they knew they were sending The Doctor to the 20th century, in exile. Which might have affected the choice of body. I don’t really get into stuff like that. Like wondering about The Doctor’s second heart not being detected in examinations prior to Spearhead from Space, as they hadn’t invented that yet. With Doctor Who, there is lots of change and contradiction.

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

Surely that's a matter of opinion. I found her portrayal of the doctor to be similar to Matt Smith's almost childlike interpretation.

What narrative explanation was required?

Disney has nothing to do with Star Trek as far as I'm aware.

And The Doctor had, back in The Doctor’s Wife, previously referred to a Time Lord, called The Corsair, who had been both male and female. And then The Master became Missy.

Which has nothing to do with the decling ratings.

Also We don't know how the Master became Missy. Peter Capaldi and John Simms did not recognize her, at least at first, contradicting the series
narrative that a Time Lord will recognize another Time Lord even in another incarnation. Interestingly, John Simms said 'don't bother to regenerate - maybe Missy was a body possession like Anthony Ainley's Master, or Eric Roberts' Master There is some question. Also the 8th Doctor did not regenerate into a female in an all female environment on Karn and he was "medically" treated by a woman on Karn. Patrick Troughton's choice of new body's was all male.
Mathematically, the odds of regenerating 13 times in a row into a male body (if either is possible) is the same as flipping a coin 13 straight times and getting one side,
far less than 1%.


As for Corsair, what did River say - "The Doctor lies!"

Well, I don’t really think the choice of bodies in The War Games is conclusive. It was an enforced and limited choice as part of The Doctor’s punishment. Bernard Horsfall’s Time Lord is ain a bit of a hurry! I don’t really get into stuff like that. Like wondering about The Doctor’s second heart not being detected in examinations prior to Spearhead from Space. As for the maths, it reminds me of The Doctor (Patrick Troughton) telling Zoe that logic enabled her to be wrong with authority. Although I’m very fond of logic. Can we do UNIT dating next?

 

[pete lashmar]

Doctor Who has always been a series in flux, new writers/showrunners etc add and detract from the shows history and canon. No one knew a Time Lord could regenerate multiple times at their own will until Romana did it in Destiny of the Daleks, likewise no one knew of the regeneration limit until it was written into The Deadly Assassin. It wasn't even called Regeneration until Planet of the spiders. So the idea that a Timelord can change sex really isn't an issue in a show that constantly changes and adapts.

I loved Jodie's era, it was so refreshing after Capaldi's era, which I will probably never watch again...I found it very poor indeed, and as The Doctor I felt sorry that his role was overshadowed by Clara so much. He was poorly served in my opinion. I don't get angry about it though because there's simply no point.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

. As for the maths, it reminds me of The Doctor (Patrick Troughton) telling Zoe that logic enabled her to be wrong with authority. Although I’m very fond of logic. Can we do UNIT dating next?

What would you suggest instead of Mathematics, Statistical Probability, Scientific Method, Logic and Science?

Not trying to be difficult. In this day and age, too many people are unwilling to objectively evaluate news, events, assertions, hypotheses, etc
Logic is a desirable quality, and is a basic element of conducting accurate research

 

[pete lashmar]

The weekly consolidated ratings for the week 17-23 October have been released by BARB, indicating that Jodie Whittaker's swansong The Power of the Doctor achieved 5.295 million viewers, making it the second most watched programme on the Sunday and the fifth most watched programme overall for the week.

Not a bad result after all, Strictly/Strictly results/Bake Off/ Doc Martin were top, but WHO beat Coronation Street.

There are some facts and figures.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

The weekly consolidated ratings for the week 17-23 October have been released by BARB, indicating that Jodie Whittaker's swansong The Power of the Doctor achieved 5.295 million viewers, making it the second most watched programme on the Sunday and the fifth most watched programme overall for the week.

Not a bad result after all, Strictly/Strictly results/Bake Off/ Doc Martin were top, but WHO beat Coronation Street.

There are some facts and figures.

Ratings.

Final Episodes Consolidated Ratings.

Peter Capaldi 7.92 Million

JW 5.3 Million

Peter Capaldi had 49% more viewers for his finale

List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Same Day Ratings

Final Episode

Peter Capaldi 5.8 Million

JW 3.7 Million

Peter Capaldi had 65% more viewers. He had more same day viewers than JW had in consolidated ratings

List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BBC America Ratings

Doctor Who: Season 10 Ratings

While Orphan Black will finish its BBC America run this season, Doctor Who is still ticking along. It has even spawned another spin-off, Class. Will Peter

tvseriesfinale.com

Doctor Who: Season 13 Ratings

This show has been a fixture of UK television for a long time and, despite any fluctuations in the ratings, it's not going anywhere. We know it won't be

tvseriesfinale.com

Series Finale

Peter Capaldi 1.145 Million

JW 317,000

Peter Capaldi had more than 3 times the viewership

These are confirmed facts and figures, properly sourced

Draw your own conclusions

 

[pete lashmar]

That was 4 years ago and well below previous eras, so who do you blame for Capaldi's ratings drop?

And where was all the Capaldi merchandise that used to fill the shelves that you loved so much?

Power of the Doctor was a great result for BBC, what is there to complain about for heaven;s sake?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

That was 4 years ago and well below previous eras, so who do you blame for Capaldi's ratings drop?

And where was all the Capaldi merchandise that used to fill the shelves that you loved so much?

Power of the Doctor was a great result for BBC, what is there to complain about for heaven;s sake?

So when the data and figures contradict your opinion you resort to deflection.

So sad when people deny facts and data that they can not accept, simply because it does not conform to their opinion.

So then you acknowledge the decline in merchandise, which JW has not improved.

Viewing habits with extra avenues have been in place for at least the last 4 years

So then you are saying that Matt Smith had even higher ratings than JW

People have said that PC had a disadvantageous time slot. I don't know if that is true,
but I gave you the benefit of the douby by using the previous era, rather than MSmith ot DTennant


With regard to Capaldi, I demonstrated that even with a ratings drop, he still outperformed JW significantly


Since the data does not support your opinion, you rant and deflect. You can not form any credible response

 

[pete lashmar]

Oh so it's Jodie's fault merchandise sales fell during the previous era now? Clutch at straws much?

Best performing BBC TV drama of the week....but yeah, let's ignore that.

Series 13 + the 2022 specials now collectively average out as the #18th most watched show on UK television, with two top ten placements. That's better than Series 9 and Series 12, and all of the classic era bar Season 2 way back in 1964-65. Furthermore, Jodie Whittaker's era finishes up with an average chart placing of #17, which is equal to Christopher Eccleston and two places up on Peter Capaldi.