"Special Guest Star" ??

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Although all the rage at the time, the '70s cop shows didn't sell very well once DVDs came out years later -- unless it was something shlocky like STARSKY & HUTCH or CHARLIE'S ANGELS from shlockmeister Aaron Spelling (where the shlock seems to be the main appeal).

It's not that the '70s cop shows aged badly, necessarily -- some of them, like disco, were fairly well-produced (like STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO) -- but, also like disco, they seemed to date right away, and it's an old genre that will probably be rediscovered in the 2050s, as sometimes happens.

What's really funny about those shows, though, is the billing issues for the guest stars... I mean, in the '60s, if you were billed as "Special Guest Star" there was usually a reason for it and it made some sense. If Bette Davis does GUNSMOKE or Joan Crawford does THE VIRGINIAN, you'd expect them to get the "Special" billing and they usually did. And by the '80s, once again, if you were Lana Turner on FALCON CREST, or just a recognizable veteran actor who'd been around -- even if you'd never been a tabloid-covered kind of celebrity actor -- you might be getting that "Special" billing, too.

But in the '70s, particularly obvious on the cop shows, ambitious agents trying to establish status-in-advance for their clientele would negotiate a "Special Guest Star" billing for the most questionable of subjects. And that has you laughing, especially decades later, when you see these half-a-century old shows in reruns, where the "mere" guest stars are all recognizable-even-today faces and names -- like the Martin Sheens and the Ruby Dees and the Leslie Nielsens and the Mariette Hartleys and the Stuart Whitmans and the Dean Stockwells -- but then the Special Guest Star is, like, Biffy McLeod or, maybe, Shirley Anaconda ... actors no one remembers at all, not just because they'd died young killed by a fan or done in from an overdose or who "turned their backs on Hollywood" and left the business to start a macadamia nut farm in Dubuque, but actors no one knew even at the time!

I mean, Biffy McLeod is the Special Guest Star??

It's got to be embarrassing, even to them, and especially in retrospect.

I'm not being snobbish, and they may have been perfectly good actors and lovely people -- but who the hell are they?? No one ever knew!

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What's really funny about those shows, though, is the billing issues for the guest stars... I mean, in the '60s, if you were billed as "Special Guest Star" there was usually a reason for it and it made some sense. If Bette Davis does GUNSMOKE or Joan Crawford does THE VIRGINIAN, you'd expect them to get the "Special" billing and they usually did. And by the '80s, once again, if you were Lana Turner on FALCON CREST, or just a recognizable veteran actor who'd been around -- even if you'd never been a tabloid-covered kind of celebrity actor -- you might be getting that "Special" billing, too.
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Here's an example from Streets, of our friend Jim Davis, who was Roy Johnson in the second-season episode "The Hard Breed" (OAD Thurs. Feb. 21, 1974 on ABC).
 

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Yes, I think I've actually heard of him.

We probably all have; the reason why I refer to him (and Hagman and Collins and others, among the bigs of the 80s prime serials) as "our friends" is because a lot of us became familiar with them from either seeing them on CBS or ABC (CBS for Dallas, KL and Falcon Crest; ABC for Dynasty and The Colbys), or seeing their shows in syndication or in cable reruns (as on TNT or the former Soapnet), or in the case of our foreign members here, seeing them on whatever networks/channels/stations are in their countries.
 

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We probably all have; the reason why I refer to him (and Hagman and Collins and others, among the bigs of the 80s prime serials) as "our friends" is because a lot of us became familiar with them from either seeing them on CBS or ABC (CBS for Dallas, KL and Falcon Crest; ABC for Dynasty and The Colbys), or seeing their shows in syndication or in cable reruns (as on TNT or the former Soapnet), or in the case of our foreign members here, seeing them on whatever networks/channels/stations are in their countries.

Oh, yes, I understand. It was my attempt at wittiliciousness.
 

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For a second, when I pulled this thread up, I thought it would be another questioning of why Heather was still listed as such on Melrose Place for 6 straight years, and about 200 episodes!

Oh, yes, that.

Some original castmembers, especially the leads, have self-protective clauses in their contracts (as did Forsythe and Evans) that state that no actor or new castmember who comes along (like a Joan Collins) later can be paid more than they are. A lot of agents negotiate things like that if they can.

Unless they're billed as "Special Guest Star" which is the only way around the issue.

So when Heather came into MELROSE PLACE a season late, fresh from show like DYNASTY and at a peak in her salary-demanding status, they had to bill her as "Special Guest Star" for seven years in order to pay her sufficiently.

Even Locklear joked about the billing.
 

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Did you make that up? I tried Googling it, and there's actually somebody by that name on Facebook.

LOL! Nor is there a Shirley Anaconda --- at least, I don't think!

But did he deserve the billing in the pre-Dallas seventies?

Oh, good question. I don't guess you're talking about THE EARLY YEARS. But, yes, Davis was a second tier movie star, his leading man potential destroyed, by own admission, when he made the only Bette Davis film to bomb during her feverish peak in the late-'30s and early-'40s.

So, yes, a "Special Guest Star" would have been appropriate -- though not guaranteed -- in, say, 1972. But if Gwendolyn Mcgillicuddy is in the cast that week, then fuhgeddaboudit!!
 

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But did he deserve the billing in the pre-Dallas seventies?
My first reaction was probably not but considering how many westerns he had done opposite the big stars of the day I guess I can see him getting the Guest Star treatment. People knew who he was but obviously his biggest fame was yet to come.
 

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Oh, yes, that.

Some original castmembers, especially the leads, have self-protective clauses in their contracts (as did Forsythe and Evans) that state that no actor or new castmember who comes along (like a Joan Collins) later can be paid more than they are. A lot of agents negotiate things like that if they can.

Unless they're billed as "Special Guest Star" which is the only way around the issue.

So when Heather came into MELROSE PLACE a season late, fresh from show like DYNASTY and at a peak in her salary-demanding status, they had to bill her as "Special Guest Star" for seven years in order to pay her sufficiently.

Even Locklear joked about the billing.
That makes sense.

Still, I wonder why Audrey Landers and Deborah Shelton and so many others were billed as "guess stars" or "special guest stars" on Dallas for so long even though they had more scenes and were more involved in the plot lines than some of those who were giving "starring" status.
 

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That makes sense.

Still, I wonder why Audrey Landers and Deborah Shelton and so many others were billed as "guess stars" or "special guest stars" on Dallas for so long even though they had more scenes and were more involved in the plot lines than some of those who were giving "starring" status.
- I also have a strange feeling about this ... all the years the opening credits of "Dallas" seemed to have just the people in it that started the show from the beginning (with little excepts) ...
I wish they room for Aafton, Mandy, Peter and others ...
 
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