Am I the only one who cannot tolerate the Mark Graison character?

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No.

That's a myth. Mark was never intended to be in the shower when Pam opened the door.

Katzman only recalled Victoria Principal for that scene, John Beck wasn't asked. :)
No wonder he looks confused, he was expecting Pam, I wonder who he's looking at?

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I'm pretty sure there was a scene shot with Mark in the shower.

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Spooky, we posted that at the same time.
 

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I wonder what the future did hold for Mark had there been no dream though? Where was that storyline about J.R. and Harry looking into his past about causing someone’s death back in college going?
They would have negotiated John Beck's future contract and then come up with a storyline. If he was leaving immediately, perhaps that "dead in the shower" story, that has long been rumoured, would have happened.
 

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I don’t believe they were going to have Mark dead in the shower, since they had started the story about Mark being responsible for someone’s death in college. But that shows you what was wrong with the dream season writers. JR’s motivations were always about pleasing his daddy and building Ewing Oil. Once Pam had sold out of Ewing Oil and was out of the family, there was no reason for JR to go after her or her new husband.
 

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No.

That's a myth. Mark was never intended to be in the shower when Pam opened the door.

Katzman only recalled Victoria Principal for that scene, John Beck wasn't asked. :)
I've read interviews where both Beck and Principal have talked about filming a shower scene together at the last minute. Principal had been expecting to see the scene earlier in the episode when it aired, and when it wasn't there, she thought that the scene had been cut. She didn't film the shower scene alone, she would have become suspicious and Katzman was bright enough to know that would happen. The man went through the whole ruse of bringing in an outside crew to film Duffy in a "commercial" off set, he didn't blow all of his efforts by letting Principal become suspicious.
 
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we complain about how sickeningly nice everyone was to everyone in the latter part of the Dream Season, but they really did have things set up so that everyone would have been at each other’s throats in the next season had Lenny/Bobby not come back.

  • Jamie killed as a result of JR's dealings with Angelica - Cliff, who'd mellowed out and become nice (which I actually kind of liked), would be on the warpath. Would Jack join him? As a bonus for viewers: no more Jamie!
  • Harry uncovering dirt on Mark - how bad was the 'accidental hazing death' and its coverup and will Mark get in trouble? How will Pam react? What will Mark do to get revenge on JR?
  • Sue Ellen injured in the Ewing Oil explosion - will she change her mind about JR now that she's been blinded/paralyzed/etc. as a result of his shady dealing with Angelica?
  • Is Ben Stivers Jock? How will Miss Ellie, Clayton, etc. react?
  • I don't remember - did Jenna leave at the end of the season? Is it possible there would have been no more Jenna and Charlie? At the very least, no Ray/Jenna since Ray and Donna were solidly back together and had Tony.
 
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Did that come about when JR got Dirty Harry to delve into DR Jerry's past because he was jealous of him seeing Sue Ellen?
I believe so. Haven’t watched this season in awhile now but that sounds right to me.


I don't remember - did Jenna leave at the end of the season? Is it possible there would have been no more Jenna and Charlie?
It certainly had that feel to me. She had made the rounds pretty much saying goodbye to people. She had buried the hatchet with Pam, finally, and said she was leaving Southfork as well so I’m not sure what else could’ve been done with the character going into the next season if there’s no dream. If she does return then maybe it’s to comfort Jack after Jamie’s death. That’s all I can figure.
 

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I've read interviews where both Beck and Principal have talked about filming a shower scene together at the last minute. Principal had been expecting to see the scene earlier in the episode when it aired, and when it wasn't there, she thought that the scene had been cut. She didn't film the shower scene alone, she would have become suspicious and Katzman was bright enough to know that would happen. The man went through the whole ruse of bringing in an outside crew to film Duffy in a "commercial" off set, he didn't blow all of his efforts by letting Principal become suspicious.

If the two of them did film a shower scene together it must've been for another episode because John Beck was not in the shower when Victoria filmed her bit for the shows finale. :)
 

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If the two of them did film a shower scene together it must've been for another episode because John Beck was not in the shower when Victoria filmed her bit for the shows finale. :)
they had a shower scene earlier in the season. Maybe Victoria thought she had to reshoot an earlier part of the scene where she approached the shower? Or else thought they were adding an earlier part to the scene where she walked to the shower... (I can't remember how their shower scene began, but I'm pretty sure there was one. In the Blast From the Past scene, we don't see what's in the shower from Pam's perspective, so chances are she did that take alone.)

hm, for what it's worth:


"Actually reading the script and the actual airing of the show was a two-part experience for me. In the original script, Mark Graison (played by the actor John Beck) is in the shower at the end. "
so according to Victoria, at least the script had Mark in the shower. I kind of figure she'd mention it if John (or a rubber 'dead Mark Graison doll') were there when filmed that scene, but maybe he filmed something separately?

(of course we should take anything Victoria or any other Dallas star would say to People magazine with an enormous grain of salt..)
 
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If the two of them did film a shower scene together it must've been for another episode because John Beck was not in the shower when Victoria filmed her bit for the shows finale. :)
If you want to believe that Katzman was actually stupid enough to have brought Victoria and his crew in to film a suspicion raising scene of her just standing there opening the shower door without the actor that she was paired with at the time being there in the shower, feel free. But what Principal and Beck have said about the scene supports that Katzman was careful enough to go through the same whole ruse of filming the scene just to cleverly get he shot of her opening the shower door like he did with Duffy
 

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If you want to believe that Katzman was actually stupid enough to have brought Victoria and his crew in to film a suspicion raising scene of her just standing there opening the shower door without the actor that she was paired with at the time being there in the shower, feel free. But what Principal and Beck have said about the scene supports that Katzman was careful enough to go through the same whole ruse of filming the scene just to cleverly get he shot of her opening the shower door like he did with Duffy

Mark Graison may have been scripted to appear in that shower scene but in the event Victoria Principal filmed the scene alone with no one present in the shower.

I don't know where you're getting your information from but it's not accurate. However if you want to believe that John Beck was in that shower despite plenty of interviews with Victoria saying otherwise that's up to you. :)
 

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If the two of them did film a shower scene together it must've been for another episode because John Beck was not in the shower when Victoria filmed her bit for the shows finale. :)
Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that I've read from Victoria Principal and John Beck that John was there on set at the time, but that Patrick's shower scene was filmed later on.
 

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Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that I've read from Victoria Principal and John Beck that John was there on set at the time, but that Patrick's shower scene was filmed later on.

That's completely wrong buddy.

And yes I'm completely sure of what I'm talking about. There are online interviews of Victoria Principal in Dallas documentaries (on YouTube) were she says that they only asked her back to film that scene. John Beck was not involved in any capacity with that scene of her waking up, getting out of bed and going to open the shower door. :)
 

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That's completely wrong buddy.

And yes I'm completely sure of what I'm talking about. There are online interviews of Victoria Principal in Dallas documentaries (on YouTube) were she says that they only asked her back to film that scene. John Beck was not involved in any capacity with that scene of her waking up, getting out of bed and going to open the shower door. :)
So who was there? Victoria said that she expected John/Mark to be there.
 
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