#metoo

[Snarky Oracle!]

Men do not suffer from postpartum psychosis so as @Seaviewer points out, comparison with other cases, particularly those involving men, are not relevant

So post-partum is the only kind of psychosis that permits murderers to walk? (Pardon the expression, if not the defendant).

As for familarising yourself with the case, the people who were most familiar with the case were the jury who sat through 6 weeks of evidence and 11 out of 12 of them thought she was not guilty of murder.

Yeah, you have to sit in a courtroom to participate in jury nullification -- which is what those 11 jurors did.

Thank Jesus for that strong black man who stopped those witches from acquitting that monster mama!

 

[Angela Channing]

So post-partum is the only kind of psychosis that permits murderers to walk? (Pardon the expression, if not the defendant).

Women who are convicted of infanticide don't walk, they generally are given hospital orders and are subject to strict supervision.

Yeah, you have to sit in a courtroom to participate in jury nullification -- which is what those 11 jurors did.

Thank Jesus for that strong black man who stopped those witches from acquitting that monster mama!

You brought up familiarisation with the case. I respectably put it to you that you are not as familiar with the details of the case as the jurors who sat through all the evidence in court.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Women who are convicted of infanticide don't walk, they generally are given hospital orders and are subject to strict supervision.


You brought up familiarisation with the case. I respectably put it to you that you are not as familiar with the details of the case as the jurors who sat through all the evidence in court.

So you're defending her, and any way you can! You're siding with those white witches again a strong, rational black man!

Shame --- shame!!

 

[CeeCee72]

@Angela Channing I think you and I agree on most issues, but not this one.

I gave birth to two live children. I lost two others. With my youngest I did have a severe case of post partum depression. I had trouble bonding with my baby. I had thoughts of self harm.

I never had a thought of killing or harming my children - just myself.

I know I can't say my problems are the same as Clancy's. But I would have convicted her. Mental illness is no excuse for murder.

 

[Angela Channing]

So you're defending her, and any way you can! You're siding with those white witches again a strong, rational black man!

Shame --- shame!!

Where did I defend her? I was just pointing out that she wouldn't even be charged with murder if she carried out her crime in the UK.

I don't have a strong view on her case because I don't know the full details (this case has had very little coverage in the UK) which is why I defer to those who have all the available facts,, i.e. the jury.

Why are you bringing race into this? Another completely irrelevant point. Your faux anger doesn't cover the fact that you are not as familiar with the details of the case as the jurors.

@Angela Channing I think you and I agree on most issues, but not this one.

I gave birth to two live children. I lost two others. With my youngest I did have a severe case of post partum depression. I had trouble bonding with my baby. I had thoughts of self harm.

I never had a thought of killing or harming my children - just myself.

I know I can't say my problems are the same as Clancy's. But I would have convicted her. Mental illness is no excuse for murder.

Again I don't know the facts of this particular case, so I will only comment on infanticide cases in general.

I'm sorry you had postpartum depression but I hope you got the support you needed from those around you to get through it.

I don't know how the severity of Ms Clancy's postpartum depression compares with yours, and what support she received to help her deal with it, which is why I think it isn't always helpful to compare cases. But in general, if someone has a metal health condition that affects their ability to act or think rationally, then I think it is right that a court should take that into consideration when determining someone's guilt or not. It applies to men just as much as women. A man in a similar situation (i.e. killed someone while suffering from a mental health condition that caused diminished responsibilities), would not be convicted of murder. He wouldn't go unpunished though, in the same way a woman convicted of infanticide wouldn't go unpunished. They would be incarcerated under a medical supervision order for a period of time during which they would be treated. Depending on their sentence and how they respond to treatment, they could even be locked up for longer that if they had they been convicted of murder. I don't think that is a bad system.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Even with all of those jurors being familiar with the case, the verdict still wasn't unanimous. The male juror has taken the brunt of the criticism, yet it's just as possible that the eleven women who voted not guilty (by reason of insanity) were pursuing "their own agenda." Ultimately, jurors are average humans who can be swayed by personal biases.

I believe there are times when rehabilitation and eventual release is acceptable, but some crimes (like the murder of your own children) are too heinous to allow that IMO.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]