Sue Ellen and Cally

CeeCee72

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I have never understood that relationship. Maybe at first, Sue Ellen encouraged Cally because she knew JR wanted rid of his wife, but as time went on, I got the feeling Sue Ellen had at least a tiny bit of affection for Cally. Maybe that's normal, because John Ross came to love Cally, so maybe that influenced Sue Ellen's feelings. Having said that, the whole relationship is just so strange. The Sue Ellen from seasons 1-11 didn't seem the type to welcome another woman to Southfork as Mrs. JR Ewing and stepmother to her son.
 

Snarky Oracle!

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Well, people have whispered for years about Sue Ellen and Jamie.

And by the time Cally showed up, the DALLAS relationships were making less and less sense. I mean, did Miss Ellie even ever meet her new grandson, James??
 

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Early Sue Ellen was bent on holding on to her marriage and her position. By the time she met Cally she was just about out the door.
This. Exactly. I always liked the way she was with Cally, but I can also see how it would seem unusual.

I think Sue Ellen perhaps seemed a little off because of the fact that her character was being written out..a character that had been a huge part since the beginning(even if her name wasn't in the miniseries intro...:mad:). The writers decided to send her away from Dallas, and they needed to keep John Ross on the show, so..I do suppose she seemed a little too nonchalant about it, though..the distance, but for whatever reason it was written that way. Perhaps trying to make it okay to us? but instead it makes her come across as a little cold.
 
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pete lashmar

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I know there's a lot of hate for the new characters that were introduced in the later seasons, and I loathe most of them too, but I felt differently about Cally. Like almost everyone here I hate the Haleyville storyline, but as soon as Cally gets to Dallas she becomes compulsive viewing for me....though that feeling gets lower with every episode after the balloon pop. The makeover from Lucy for the oil baron's ball was utterly hilarious, the reactions to it were just tv gold. Unfortunately the writing had gotten so bad....to match the acting of all the new characters, that the plot with Cally dried up far too quickly. Overall I think after being taken under Sue Ellen's wing, the character should have been killed off in a shock cliffhanger, leaving the Ewings really questioning JR's reaction to her. It would have also ignited Sue Ellen again who became far too lame with the stupid movie plot.
 

Bobby Southworth

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I know there's a lot of hate for the new characters that were introduced in the later seasons, and I loathe most of them too, but I felt differently about Cally. Like almost everyone here I hate the Haleyville storyline, but as soon as Cally gets to Dallas she becomes compulsive viewing for me....though that feeling gets lower with every episode after the balloon pop. The makeover from Lucy for the oil baron's ball was utterly hilarious, the reactions to it were just tv gold. Unfortunately the writing had gotten so bad....to match the acting of all the new characters, that the plot with Cally dried up far too quickly. Overall I think after being taken under Sue Ellen's wing, the character should have been killed off in a shock cliffhanger, leaving the Ewings really questioning JR's reaction to her. It would have also ignited Sue Ellen again who became far too lame with the stupid movie plot.


I have mixed feelings on Cally. On one hand, I was pretty young during the original episodes with her, and I kind of just went along with how my mom seemed to feel, and she didn't seem to mind Cally, and I think actually enjoyed seeing JR being good to her..seeing them happy. I don't know how representative my mom was of the general Dallas fan base, but I know she had been a huge fan of the show since the beginning, so..I felt comfortable pretty much riding it out with whatever impressions she had of the newer characters.

Watching it myself as a much older adult, I'm not as fond of Cally, and find her kind of annoying, but as you said..especially in her first season, once she got to Dallas, I suppose there was a certain charm about her. Her character just seems a little out of place on Dallas, and a little silly, but she had her moments, I guess. I suppose her seeming out of place was actually part of the charm?
 
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Scorpienne

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I have mixed feelings on Cally. On one hand, I was pretty young during the original episodes with her, and I kind of just went along with how my mom seemed to feel, and she didn't seem to mind Cally, and I think actually enjoyed seeing JR being good to her..seeing them happy. I don't know how representative my mom was of the general Dallas fan base, but I know she had been a huge fan of the show since the beginning, so..I felt comfortable pretty much riding it out with whatever impressions she had of the newer characters.

Watching it myself as a much older adult, I'm not as fond of Cally, and find her kind of annoying, but as you said..especially in her first season, once she got to Dallas, I suppose there was a certain charm about her. Her character just seems a little out of place on Dallas, and a little silly, but she had her moments, I guess. I suppose her seeming out of place was actually part of the charm?
This made me think of how I felt, watching it for the first time. I didn't mind her either at the time. Later, on rewatch, I found almost all of it unbearable from there to the series finale and still do. It's usually at this point I either skip to JR Returns or start over from the beginning. LOL
 

CeeCee72

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I liked Cally and agree that among all the later years new characters, she was probably the best one. I just thought that her and JR together was just gross. Always amused me that for so many fans, Sue Ellen and Peter together was unacceptable, but they had no problem with JR and Cally.
 

pete lashmar

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I liked Cally and agree that among all the later years new characters, she was probably the best one. I just thought that her and JR together was just gross. Always amused me that for so many fans, Sue Ellen and Peter together was unacceptable, but they had no problem with JR and Cally.
Oooooh noooo, Peter and Sue Ellen was just so off for me....Cally and JR felt different though, in as much as Cally was made to feel that JR loved her in Haleyville and then realised she was just a quick shag by an old man, which the scriptwriters played out.
 

Bobby Southworth

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I liked Cally and agree that among all the later years new characters, she was probably the best one. I just thought that her and JR together was just gross. Always amused me that for so many fans, Sue Ellen and Peter together was unacceptable, but they had no problem with JR and Cally.
Yes, there was something about the Peter/Sue Ellen relationship that didn't work for me, but I'd like to think it isn't just because I'm a guy reverting to double standards.

I think part of this again goes back to..I was 10 when Cally first appeared on Dallas. By the time I was finally able to see episodes of the 7th season, I was 14, and not just watching Dallas through the eyes of my mom..not that that was ever entirely the case, but hopefully it's understood where I'm coming from with this.

Like some others, I'm less fond of Cally and JR on repeated viewings, but in spite of the age difference, and the disgusting way they began, we were offered another side to JR here. Even after they broke-up/divorced..he was 'relatively' decent to her. I know there's probably a whole slew of examples where that wasn't the case, but I'm thinking of the way he spoke to her when she brought him the release papers at the sanitarium..I'm thinking about how, once he found her and his..daughter? in late season 14, he was gracious enough to just leave her alone.

On the other hand..Peter Richards...Good looking kid..college student..he falls for, yes, a lovely older woman, but.. this is played like the kid has never liked a girl before, and almost has some kind of obsession with her, and she more or less plays into it to stop him from ruining his own life(quitting school, etc, etc)...wtf? The way that Peter seems to feed into this as well..but it's written almost like we are all(including Sue Ellen)supposed to feel sorry for him. Well, then, if that's the case, then explain to me why a good looking, intelligent, guy acts in this manner. Give me a little backstory..is he mentally ill or something? Instead, I don't think there's ever any real explanation given other than he's just that into Sue Ellen. Again, lovely lady, but..it's not so much the age difference for me in this situation, as the awkwardness. Also, the way Christopher played the role..his delivery..something. I'm not saying he's a bad actor because I certainly was convinced he was losing his mind over Sue Ellen, but..he came across as kind of creepy. I do think, that perhaps had another actor played the part, or it wasn't written in quite the way that it was, it could have worked, and on some levels it did..but it's..the combo of this young looking guy, his mannerisms, and then the way he loses his sh!t with Sue Ellen..it just felt off.
 
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Scorpienne

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I thought he came across as creepy and obsessed too. I didn't mind her having a relationship with a younger man at all. But in this case, I felt like Peter looked like he was still in high school and it just didn't work for me. She should have nipped that in the bud and hooked up with one of his friends.
 

CeeCee72

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Sue Ellen with a young lover could have been a great storyline. But Peter looked and acted like a needy little boy. SE should have had an affair with a hunk young stable hand or something like that. And the character should have looked like a man, not a boy.

As for JR and Cally, that relationship seemed predatory to me. I get Cally was enamoured with JR, but still there's an "ew" factor for me.
 

Frank Underwood

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Sue Ellen with a young lover could have been a great storyline. But Peter looked and acted like a needy little boy. SE should have had an affair with a hunk young stable hand or something like that. And the character should have looked like a man, not a boy.
The casting of Peter was always my biggest issue with that storyline. IMO, Peter was the most miscast character up to that point.

I believe @Snarky Oracle! suggested the actor that played Peter's friend Jerry would have been a better casting choice, and I tend to agree.
As for JR and Cally, that relationship seemed predatory to me. I get Cally was enamoured with JR, but still there's an "ew" factor for me.
Yes, although "predatory" likely describes many of JR's relationships. Cally's youth and innocence did make it seem dirtier, though.
 

Bobby Southworth

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Yes..I maybe should have said the situation was creepy, not him..it didn't just seem creepy to me because of the age difference or how young he looked(although that did play a big part), but he also just came across as immature..even his voice. Even though Sue Ellen was obviously attracted to him, physically, the way that she always tried to resist made it somehow seem uncomfortable viewing. It just wasn't done right on several levels. However, I do remember knowing this story-line was going to happen long beforehand because my mom, and especially my grandmother talked about it, and they enjoyed it, but I think it was more after JR found out about the affair. I mean, I think the plot was more or less viewed as a success, even if I don't particularly enjoy the execution.
 

Frank Underwood

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Yes..I maybe should have said the situation was creepy, not him..it didn't just seem creepy to me because of the age difference or how young he looked(although that did play a big part), but he also just came across as immature..even his voice. Even though Sue Ellen was obviously attracted to him, physically, the way that she always tried to resist made it somehow seem uncomfortable viewing. It just wasn't done right on several levels. However, I do remember knowing this story-line was going to happen long beforehand because my mom, and especially my grandmother talked about it, and they enjoyed it, but I think it was more after JR found out about the affair. I mean, I think the plot was more or less viewed as a success, even if I don't particularly enjoy the execution.
Yes, his immaturity was incredibly annoying. It got better once JR found out and plotted his revenge.

The scene where Lucy has her drunken outburst and JR stops Peter from revealing what he already knows is just great.
 
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Bobby Southworth

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Yes, his immaturity was incredibly annoying. It got better once JR found out and plotted his revenge.

The scene where Lucy has her drunken outburst and JR stops Peter from revealing what he already knows is just great.
Yes..wasn't that one of the classic sinister JR on the balcony scenes? From that moment forward, the plot was winning.
 
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