BUtterfield 8 vs. Breakfast at Tiffany's

Which movie do you prefer?

  • BUtterfield 8 (1960)

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961)

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Both

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Neither

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6

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There was a discussion going here (I forgot which one) where a member (I believe it was Snarky) that spoke about BUTTERFIELD 8 and BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S, two of Tinseltown's upper-class hooker tales.

BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S has a fairly big fandom these days, although primarily with college-age girls that like to hang cutesy pictures of Audrey Hepburn in her "little black dress" on their dorm room walls. Many of them may not even be familiar with the movie or even Hepburn herself, but like the "chicness" of it all and decorate their rooms accordingly. I had an agricultural teacher in high school that completely redecorated her den and bedroom in a TIFFANY'S-esque style. I recall her showing us pictures of tables, lamps, and posters she had bought to give her the "look" she wanted, all which she derived from her admiration of the film.

Audrey Hepburn is closely associated with her role as Holly Golighty, although many modern-day critics and fans consider her miscast in the role. Author Truman Capote was not a fan of her casting; he had written the part of Holly with Marilyn Monroe in mind to play her in a would-be screen adaptation of his story. Paramount Pictures in 1960 did not want Marilyn, however, and with good reason. Despite having been a consistent box office draw (scoring a phenomenal success with SOME LIKE IT HOT in 1959) throughout the past decade, Monroe was increasingly unreliable and troublesome on film sets. Paramount felt Marilyn's presence, while beneficial at the box office, would effectively hinder the production and therefore refused her casting. After a few other actresses were tossed around, Hepburn got the part.

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Even so, many feel that BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S doesn't live up to its hype. It is dismissed as racist (because of Mickey Rooney's portrayal of "Mr. Yunioshi") and is frowned upon for practically erasing the entire story as Capote had written it. There is even a lot criticism (which frankly shocks me) about Hepburn being miscast, and strong opinions that the film is long and boring.

That being said, there seems to be a certain fandom surrounding BUTTERFIELD 8, the 1960 melodrama starring Elizabeth Taylor as Gloria, an unpaid call girl. The film is practically dwarfed today by its production history. It is well-documented that Taylor hadn't any interest whatsoever in the script, but committed herself to the project solely to end her 18-year-contract with MGM. The studio was insistent that Taylor complete one more picture under her contract before they would release her and therefore leave her free to star in CLEOPATRA (1963) for 20th Century-Fox. After a few shuffles, and the casting of Taylor's then-husband Eddie Fisher in a supporting role, Taylor agreed to the film. Public sympathy surrounding Taylor's health issues ultimately turned BUTTERFIELD 8 into the biggest hit for MGM in 1960. She even won her first Oscar for Best Actress for a role she loathed, beating the likes of Shirley MacLaine, Deborah Kerr, and Greer Garson.

There is a feeling among classic movie buffs that BUTTERFIELD 8 is "easier to sit through" than BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S. For me, it's been too long since I've seen either movie to judge that theory fairly. I remember BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S being one of the first classic movies I watched, and I remember liking it a lot at the time. BUTTERFIELD 8 was one of the first movies I watched starring Liz Taylor (outside of CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF), and I recall liking the movie better than I thought that I would.

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The purpose of this thread is to discuss these two movies. Which film do you prefer and why? Which film holds up better today?​

At least BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S can boast of this:

 

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"Butterfield 8" is trash but it is gloriously self-aware that it is trash and that is its saving grace. I also think, as beautiful and glamorous as Audrey Hepburn was, most men would prefer a whore who looked like Elizabeth Taylor.

"Breakfast At Tiffany's" isn't anywhere near as charming as people make it out to be. As I posted in the previous thread, if it weren't for Audrey Hepburn, Givenchy and Henry Mancini's score (specifically "Moon River") the movie would be unwatchable. I love Audrey Hepburn but this is her weakest film. I can't for the life of me figure out why Holly, of all the characters Hepburn played, would be the one pop culture would choose to focus on.
 

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"Butterfield 8" is trash but it is gloriously self-aware that it is trash and that is its saving grace. I also think, as beautiful and glamorous as Audrey Hepburn was, most men would prefer a whore who looked like Elizabeth Taylor.
Taylor was a more voluptuous woman. Hepburn was always revered for her gamine looks.
"Breakfast At Tiffany's" isn't anywhere near as charming as people make it out to be. As I posted in the previous thread, if it weren't for Audrey Hepburn, Givenchy and Henry Mancini's score (specifically "Moon River") the movie would be unwatchable. I love Audrey Hepburn but this is her weakest film. I can't for the life of me figure out why Holly, of all the characters Hepburn played, would be the one pop culture would choose to focus on.
I really need to re-watch both these movies so I can form a solid opinion myself.

I'd say Hepburn's turn as Holly is so iconic because of the "look" of the character, not necessarily for the character itself. The "little black dress" gets a lot of attention.​
 

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I've never seen either, so I selected Neither. Of the two, I am more inclined to eventually watch BUTTERFIELD-8. I have seen enough of BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S to have a very strong inkling that I won't like it. What I wrote in the BKR thread:

George Peppard is perhaps the least interesting and least charismatic actor of all time. Mickey Rooney's performance is grotesque, even for 1960 (and I am generally pretty forgiving for such things in works of the past). Despite some iconic looks, even Audrey seems boring as heck in this movie. Watching the video, it had occurred to me that Audrey was inherently miscast in her two most iconic roles: Holly and Eliza.

I don't have any particular interest in seeing BUTTERFIELD-8, but I might get around to it eventually. I'm not a huge Liz fan, but I do prefer her work in the mid 50s to very early 60s range.
 

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Yes, as I've said before, despite "Moon River" and the forlorn pre-dawn opening, and those period shots of the Manhattan brownstones, BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S is a lousy movie, one which tries to be "mod" in a this-is-what-the-'60s-are-going-to-about kind of way, and the picture is indeed hard to sit through.

Taylor rightly resented the way MGM forced her to do BUTTERFIELD 8, but it's spectacular trash -- it's what trash should be, quite frankly. It has fabulously plump Elizabeth falling for slimy john Laurence Harvey who admits to his upper-crust and unusually-sympathetic wife, Dina Merrill, that he may be in love with his favorite hooker.

All it needs is its own theme song, like a "Jack the Knife" by Bobby Darin or something.

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It's all pretty high-society low-brow stuff, but at least it tells a cohesive story, and Taylor gives a bang-up performance even though she didn't think she earned that Oscar. And every time she screams, "I loved it!" about her molestation at 13, I howl --- a howl exceeded only by her car crash death (SPOILER ALERT!!) at the end of the movie, one of the funniest doomed damsel moments ever captured, as she shrieks in mortal terror and her vehicle drops vertically out of the sky as if it fell from Mars.

So, yeah, Team Gloria for me.

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I love both. Breakfast is iconic and accepted by popular culture so maybe that's what makes it get some backlash from classic movie fans. Still, it is one of those classics I remember watching as a child and being charmed by Audrey, New York, Moon River and that cat in the rain ending. How can you not love that???

I also saw Butterfield 8 as a child, many, many times, and always loved it, even when I couldn't understand Gloria's backstory. I love her scenes with the mother and the noisy neighbor, and with Eddie and his jealous GF. Gloria is so shameless and that's what makes this so much fun to watch. It has one of my favorite opening scenes as well, with Gloria waking up in that 2001: A Space Odyessey-like white room. Feel like re-watching it now.....

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I've never seen either, so I selected Neither. Of the two, I am more inclined to eventually watch BUTTERFIELD-8. I have seen enough of BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S to have a very strong inkling that I won't like it. What I wrote in the BKR thread:

George Peppard is perhaps the least interesting and least charismatic actor of all time. Mickey Rooney's performance is grotesque, even for 1960 (and I am generally pretty forgiving for such things in works of the past). Despite some iconic looks, even Audrey seems boring as heck in this movie. Watching the video, it had occurred to me that Audrey was inherently miscast in her two most iconic roles: Holly and Eliza.

I don't have any particular interest in seeing BUTTERFIELD-8, but I might get around to it eventually. I'm not a huge Liz fan, but I do prefer her work in the mid 50s to very early 60s range.

Yes, Peppard has this subtly mean-spirited "withholding" thing about him on-screen which doesn't make him interesting but just low-grade unlikeable. It's so easy to picture him being the creep everyone reported him being while shooting the DYNASTY pilot in 1980 (a pilot far better than most of the subsequent series) which led to his firing and being replaced by John Forsythe.

BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S has that JFK-era nostalgic feel, which it always did, from those elements I previously described (eg, the opening credits, "Moon River", Audrey and her lil black dress) but the film self-consciously tries to be something timely that doesn't really come off, and the story really doesn't flow at all.

It's kind of just bad.

But BUTTERFIELD 8 is the very definition of the concept "it's so bad it's good "-- genuinely good. And the bulk of the credit goes to Elizabeth Taylor whose rage at being forced to do this sanitized tawdry picture emboldens the project, almost lifting it to the level of art... Taylor trashed the movie, understandably, as "a piece of shit" 'til the day she died, but she took that shit and made a spectacular bowl of rocky road out of it... She's fabulous in it, and earned that damned Oscar (even if she didn't think so).

Clearly, the studio was cynically trying to capitalize on Elizabeth's burgeoning "bad girl" image in the wake of the Debbie/Eddie scandal, and Taylor certainly knew it. Eddie's even in the thing... And BUTTERFIELD 8 was the beginning of her regal vulgarian period of the 1960s -- when she really did become the Queen of Queens of Hollywood.

More than anything, B8 is just much easier to sit through, dishing the scandal and not looking back; in contrast, BAT is weighted down by its pretensions and ambitions, its potential mostly unrealized.

BAT doesn't really know what it wants to be. B8 has no such conflict.

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