Goodbye Pam´s Nightmare

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In the space of a few episodes we’d lost John Beck, Audrey Landers, Barbara Bel Geddes and Morgan Brittany.
Those few episodes after Afton had discovered Bobby lying on the floor of JR's office felt off. To this day when I do a rewatch Dallas is no longer the show I had become obsessed with...there was something jarring about those initial episodes. Good secondary characters suddenly were sent packing to make way for Jamie and Mandy Winger. The horrors!

And don't get me started on the poor excuse why Miss Ellie stayed away from Dallas after one of her sons had been shot. Of course now we know why. There must have been some dirty politics going on behind the scenes.
 

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So Lenny surrounded himself with yes men. This explains many things.

But then, most executives do.

Those few episodes after Afton had discovered Bobby lying on the floor of JR's office felt off. To this day when I do a rewatch Dallas is no longer the show I had become obsessed with...there was something jarring about those initial episodes. Good secondary characters suddenly were sent packing to make way for Jamie and Mandy Winger. The horrors!

And don't get me started on the poor excuse why Miss Ellie stayed away from Dallas after one of her sons had been shot. Of course now we know why. There must have been some dirty politics going on behind the scenes.

I do tend to think of "real DALLAS" ending only moments before Donna Reed gets off of that plane.

Season 10 (dvd) is, in a good way the actual "dream," like a Halloween party, hosted by Jock's specter, where everyone (except Lucy) is reassembled at Southfork for one final time before separating and going their own way forever.

Only the show ran four more years.

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Blurry and out of focus, until it gets remastered 40 years later.
 

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No, I would never skip season 9. For me, the disappointment comes with the knowledge that some of those stories won't be continued - and not necessarily the bad ones.

yes when I say the dream season is the beginning of the end, it's not the season that is not bad but the aftermath of Bobby's return ! I 've just started to watch season 10 that I had never rewatched, I'm about to stop lol, it's lame and so different than the powerful first seasons !
 

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And yet season 10 often gets praised on these forums for the rewatch ability and its bright and breezy. I would much watch season 9 again and again
The cons to season 10 -
BD calhoon (a blatant rerun of Angelica going after JR the year before)
Any scene with Donna and Ray - awful
The valentine story - awful
Any scene with Jamie - awful and such a waste of the character
Jenna - awful

I find season 10 has sucked the life out of a lot of once good characters and is far from re watchable

and why oh why did Pam move back into southfork?! It’s absurd!
 

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was propped up by strong viewership for the early episodes in the season that were dealing with the immediate aftermath of Bobby’s death.
Unfortunately the writers didn't capitalize on that death. A colossal waste not to take advantage of a major characters death and allow Dallas to go out in a blaze of glory. If anything the writers should have tightened up the story and focused everything on the Ewing and Barnes family. The rightful Miss Ellie was back. Pam was in the hen house (Ewing Oil) and JR...well. What path was he going to take? I would have unleashed the menacing, manipulative character we all loved to hate.
Not this.
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@Snarky Oracle! would be best to ask this. Was that brilliant creative writer and story-arc teller David Paulsen gone during The Dream Season? This could explain a lot.
 

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Pam was in the hen house (Ewing Oil) and JR...well. What path was he going to take? I would have unleashed the menacing, manipulative character we all loved to hate.

Yes, sidelining Pam once she joined Ewing Oil was the most egregious error that occurred after Bobby "died."

Katzman had no control that season, but he did create the Angelica Nero character -- and there have been rumblings over the years that he did so in order to steal Pam's thunder at Ewing Oil.

And that theory is plausible. Katzman didn't want core female family members to be too tough. And having Pam and J.R. duke it out in the office -- although that would have been the central fight of the entire DALLAS series -- was just not something Lennie was interested in.

In any event, we were robbed.

Was that brilliant creative writer and story-arc teller David Paulsen gone during The Dream Season? This could explain a lot.

Oh, yes, Paulsen was absolutely gone (having taken over the '85/86 season of KNOTS, where he ran into a different on-set political dynamic).

He returned to DALLAS when Patrick Duffy and Katzman did. And, ever the company man, Paulsen always publicly defends the use of the dream scenario with which Bobby was revived, I know damned well that Paulsen would never have used it had he been running the show solely (David Jacobs has also said he would've used a different explanation as well).
 

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Season 10 (dvd) is, in a good way the actual "dream," like a Halloween party, hosted by Jock's specter, where everyone (except Lucy) is reassembled at Southfork for one final time before separating and going their own way forever.
That's a good way of putting it.
And yet season 10 often gets praised on these forums for the rewatch ability and its bright and breezy.
Some members have tried watching season 9 as a standalone story after skipping it for their regular rewatch. Perhaps it's season 10 which needs to be viewed it's own thing - and everything that follows forgotten.
 

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Yes, sidelining Pam once she joined Ewing Oil was the most egregious error that occurred after Bobby "died."
And yet, when viewing Lorimar Dallas from the get go the story appears to unfold in such an organic way that this is how it will end up; JR v Pam. Which then upsets the dynamic - but in a good way - how the remaining characters would interact with each other. I'd imagine Miss Ellie would tell JR to play nice...ye right. I wouldn't have minded if Mark returned to assist Pam in her dealings in the oil industry. But here is a colossal missed opportunity. What if Victoria was still adamant she was leaving Dallas and we still had Pam colliding with the fuel tanker. At the reading of her will she leaves her entire estate to Christopher...to be administered by Cliff Barnes!
 

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And yet, when viewing Lorimar Dallas from the get go the story appears to unfold in such an organic way that this is how it will end up; JR v Pam. Which then upsets the dynamic - but in a good way - how the remaining characters would interact with each other. I'd imagine Miss Ellie would tell JR to play nice...ye right. I wouldn't have minded if Mark returned to assist Pam in her dealings in the oil industry. But here is a colossal missed opportunity. What if Victoria was still adamant she was leaving Dallas and we still had Pam colliding with the fuel tanker. At the reading of her will she leaves her entire estate to Christopher...to be administered by Cliff Barnes!

Again, Katzman didn't want that JR-vs-Pam payoff. And with a little cleverness, he was able to sabotage it even when he wasn't controlling the show anymore.
 

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Yes. During season 9, Pam and J.R. should have really gone at it at the office. Had they focused on that instead of having her immediately reconnect with Mark, and become romantic, the season could have worked better than it did. I for one didn't like how quickly she jumped to Mark after losing Bobby. That kind of shined a negative light on the season for me, and then you combine that with all the over the top story-lines. I think the show could have worked without Bobby, but they didn't handle the direction of the show without him very well. It wasn't so much due to a lack of Bobby, but just strange, somewhat boring stories, and some actors that either just weren't written very well, or just weren't great actors. Also, don't get me wrong, Bobby was an important character to the show. You kinda needed Bobby and J.R., just not "just" Bobby and J.R., like the last season. Pam in a sense could have become like the new Bobby, but then I would have liked to have seen her get involved with a man after Ewing Oil or something..someone that makes the Pam character act in shocking ways we never would have pictured. Someone like a Michael Sharpe or even a touch of Charlie St. James. Dangerous, and Pam loses who she always was, or at least almost does. I dunno. Could have made for some interesting viewing, but instead we got a dull reconnection with Mark, Angelica, and then the emerald mine.. and then the dream solution that pretty much ruined the show.
 
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Yes. During season 9, Pam and J.R. should have really gone at it at the office. Had they focused on that instead of having her immediately reconnect with Mark, and become romantic, the season could have worked better than it did. I for one didn't like how quickly she jumped to Mark after losing Bobby. That kind of shined a negative light on the season for me, and then you combine that with all the over the top story-lines. I think the show could have worked without Bobby, but they didn't handle the direction of the show without him very well. It wasn't so much due to a lack of Bobby, but just strange, somewhat boring stories, and some actors that either just weren't written very well, or just weren't great actors. Also, don't get me wrong, Bobby was an important character to the show. You kinda needed Bobby and J.R., just not "just" Bobby and J.R., like the last season. Pam in a sense could have become like the new Bobby, but then I would have liked to have seen her get involved with a man after Ewing Oil or something..someone that makes the Pam character act in shocking ways we never would have pictured. Someone like a Michael Sharpe or even a touch of Charlie St. James. Dangerous, and Pam loses who she always was, or at least almost does. I dunno. Could have made for some interesting viewing, but instead we got a dull reconnection with Mark, Angelica, and then the emerald mine.. and then the dream solution that pretty much ruined the show.
overwhelmed by a few days at the office (after a strong, herbal-tea-infused start), she literally fainted into Mark’s arms.. so much for the female empowerment of the dream season!
 
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