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Both parties are garbage and work for the same benefactors, let's face it.

It's a game. It's a dance. It's to trick us all into thinking "our party" is the good one.

While they both screw over the working class, each pretending to be shocked at the draconian harshness (or the stupidity) of the other.
Totally agree. If the Dems had been working for the people, they would have fought harder to keep those health care premiums from tripling. As they played it, they pissed people off (and hurt people) just to get through the election then totally caved and the people get nothing but abuse as usual.
 

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I found this joke online that sums up politics in a nutshell:

A politician dies. Instead of going straight to heaven or hell, a spirit appears to him.​


The spirit tells him that, rather than being judged for his sins, he gets to choose whether he goes to heaven or hell.

The politician replies that of course he wants to go to heaven. The spirit tells him that before he chooses, he has to visit both places so each one will get a fair chance.

First they visit heaven. It looks pretty nice. Big fluffy clouds, angels singing and playing harps, everyone seeming to enjoy themselves. The politician is pleased, if a bit underwhelmed.

Hell, on the other hand, is magnificent. It’s the most beautiful place the politician has ever seen, and everyone there is having the time of their lives. It has a buffet table filled with delicious-smelling food, a beautiful garden, a pool with a water slide, a dance floor, a massage parlor, and innumerable other attractions. It makes heaven look dull and boring in comparison.

“I can’t believe I’m saying this,” says the politician, “but I think I’d rather go to hell!”

“Very well,” says the spirit. “Turn around.”

When the politician turns around, though, hell appears to be completely different than it had been less than a minute ago. All of the attractions are gone, everything is on fire, and the people are screaming in agony.

“I don’t understand!” cries the politician. “This isn’t what you showed me before!”

“Well, that was the campaign,” replies the spirit. “Now you’ve voted.”
 

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There's a theory known as the "rotating villain." It's the idea that the only outcomes the Democratic party allows are those that it supports as a whole, and it selects members to vote certain ways based on who can most afford to take a bad vote to tank a proposal that the whole party opposes. E.g. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were the rotating villains who killed off Build Back Better in order to spare the broader Democratic party who wanted to both appear to support it to voters while actually desiring it to fail.

As for the shutdown, the eight Dems who voted to end it probably weren't acting individually but "drew the short straw" on behalf of the party who wanted to end it overall. Of course, it just so happens that the senators who voted to reopen the government are either retiring or not up for election next year. Fortunately, people are wising up to their tricks. Trump and the GOP are also vile for screwing with people's healthcare and SNAP benefits, but the shutdown was about getting Dems through the elections rather than holding the Republicans accountable. At the end of the day, politicians only look out for themselves. It's called political theater for a reason, but we don't have to fall for the act.
 
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There's a theory known as the "rotating villain." It's the idea that the only outcomes the Democratic party allows are those that it supports as a whole, and it selects members to vote certain ways based on who can most afford to take a bad vote to tank a proposal that the whole party opposes. E.g. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were the rotating villains who killed off Build Back Better in order to spare the broader Democratic party who wanted to both appear to support it to voters while actually desiring it to fail.

As for the shutdown, the eight Dems who voted to end it probably weren't acting individually but "drew the short straw" on behalf of the party who wanted to end it overall. Of course, it just so happens that the senators who voted to reopen the government are either retiring or not up for election next year. Fortunately, people are wising up to their tricks. Trump and the GOP are also vile for screwing with people's healthcare and SNAP benefits, but the shutdown was about getting Dems through the elections rather than holding the Republicans accountable. At the end of the day, politicians only look out for themselves. It's called political theater for a reason, but we don't have to fall for the act.

That is precisely what they do.
 

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Eighty-six Dems just voted with Republicans to condemn socialism in the wake of Trump's meeting with NYC Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani.

They must really want to emphasize how much they hate programs that help the poor just as much as Republicans do (as if that wasn't clear enough.)

86 Dems vote with Republicans to condemn socialism in wake of Mamdani's mayoral victory

I don't agree with your interpretation. There are more layers to it.

In general, socialism is a planned economy. The people of the USSR certainly didn't thrive.

The Scandinavian economies are often mentioned, but they are not planned economies, and the populations are significantly smaller., and there are major entrepreneurial entities there.
Even so, their taxes are way higher in order to fund government programs. Americans won't tolerate those levels.

I find it more disturbing that the other Ds either voted against the resolution or abstain, especially since they have made fortunes in a capitalist system
That is the applied definition of hypocrisy.

The mayor -elect of NYC has made lofty promises, but how to p[ay for it?

Raising taxes will overly burden an already declining middle class, wealthy individuals will leave, or at least have the option,
businesses will relocate to a more tax-friendly area if they could. the result will be more taxes, further decimation of the middle class, and other, maybe better, more feasible programs will be cut.

And have you researched the "qualifications" of this mayor-elect?
Virtually no experience in...anything.
What little experience he does have is basically administrative, and no education in anything economic/entrepreneurial.

Already in the US, 60-65% is the workforce participation rate, indicating that 35-40% pay no taxes and generate no wealth
At least 40 million are on some form of public assistance, much higher when other programs are considered.

While I agree that there could be better assistance for many people, it is more complicated than a blanket statement such as yours.
I think your intentions are good, but again, there are more layers
 
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I don't agree with your interpretation. There are more layers to it.

In general, socialism is a planned economy. The people of the USSR certainly didn't thrive.

The Scandinavian economies are often mentioned, but they are not planned economies, and the populations are significantly smaller., and there are major entrepreneurial entities there.
Even so, their taxes are way higher in order to fund government programs. Americans won't tolerate those levels.

I find it more disturbing that the other Ds either voted against the resolution or abstain, especially since they have made fortunes in a capitalist system
That is the applied definition of hypocrisy.

The mayor -elect of NYC has made lofty promises, but how to p[ay for it?

Raising taxes will overly burden an already declining middle class, wealthy individuals will leave, or at least have the option,
businesses will relocate to a more tax-friendly area if they could. the result will be more taxes, further decimation of the middle class, and other, maybe better, more feasible programs will be cut.

And have you researched the "qualifications" of this mayor-elect?
Virtually no experience in...anything.
What little experience he does have is basically administrative, and no education in anything economic/entrepreneurial.

Already in the US, 60-65% is the workforce participation rate, indicating that 35-40% pay no taxes and generate no wealth
At least 40 million are on some form of public assistance, much higher when other programs are considered.

While I agree that there could be better assistance for many people, it is more complicated than a blanket statement such as yours.
I think your intentions are good, but again, there are more layers
I don't necessarily believe Mamdani will follow through on all of his promises, as most politicians don't. However, the establishment's response to him is quite telling.

The resolution is stupid and pointless. It was meant to reassure the oligarchs that nothing will change. One might say the applied definition of hypocrisy includes condemning socialism as it pertains to helping the poor while supporting corporate subsidies and a trillion-dollar military budget. Programs like SNAP came to a halt and Medicaid is facing huge cuts, but politicians will never stop spending billions on Israel's genocide in Gaza, the Ukraine War, or a bailout in Argentina. Socialism is ultimately a matter of priorities.

The establishment just loves to muddy the water when it comes to socialism. When people on the left say they want socialism, what they're typically referring to is Nordic social democracy. According to Google, it's "a political and economic system characterized by a mixed economy, a strong universal welfare state, and a commitment to social equality and individual freedoms. It combines free-market capitalism with extensive public services like universal healthcare and education, funded by high taxes, and a corporatist labor market with high levels of unionization. This model aims to provide high standards of living, reduce income inequality, and promote gender equality."

A mixed economy is what we have now. Schools, police, firefighters, the post office, etc. are all forms of socialism. Most people I know who advocate for social democracy aren't calling for an end to capitalism. We just want to strengthen the existing social safety nets, introduce new ones like universal healthcare, and provide a living wage. The tax burden would be placed on the highest earners who could most afford it. The existing system is intentionally designed so that the rich get richer and everybody else is stifled.
 
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I don't necessarily believe Mamdani will follow through on all of his promises, as most politicians don't. However, the establishment's response to him is quite telling.

The resolution is stupid and pointless. It was meant to reassure the oligarchs that nothing will change. One might say the applied definition of hypocrisy includes condemning socialism as it pertains to helping the poor while supporting corporate subsidies and a trillion-dollar military budget. Programs like SNAP came to a halt and Medicaid is facing huge cuts, but politicians will never stop spending billions on Israel's genocide in Gaza, the Ukraine War, or a bailout in Argentina. Socialism is ultimately a matter of priorities.

The establishment just loves to muddy the water when it comes to socialism. When people on the left say they want socialism, what they're typically referring to is Nordic social democracy. According to Google, it's "a political and economic system characterized by a mixed economy, a strong universal welfare state, and a commitment to social equality and individual freedoms. It combines free-market capitalism with extensive public services like universal healthcare and education, funded by high taxes, and a corporatist labor market with high levels of unionization. This model aims to provide high standards of living, reduce income inequality, and promote gender equality."

A mixed economy is what we have now. Schools, police, firefighters, the post office, etc. are all forms of socialism. Most people I know who advocate for social democracy aren't calling for an end to capitalism. We just want to strengthen the existing social safety nets, introduce new ones like universal healthcare, and provide a living wage. The tax burden would be placed on the highest earners who could most afford it. The existing system is intentionally designed so that the rich get richer and everybody else is stifled.
We can agree that there are better ways to implement economic policy, that is not in dispute. Perhaps a different term is needed that combines multiple elements of economic philosophies, because socialism, by definition is a planned economy, that is antithetical to the free market and entrepreneurship.

Nordic socialism does have disadvantages such as high taxes. It can be argued that higher tax rates have a negative impact on incentives. Americans will never tolerate those levels of taxation. Enhancing social safety nets is a worthwhile goal, but how best to do it is debatable. I don't understand what individual freedoms that we do not have, that Nordic countries have. Currently, small business owners do not have to be unionized, there is a process for resolving labor disputes, public education is available, and tens of millions are receiving public assistance. Not a perfect system, granted, but one that has worked well enough to reach 250 years next year. Some of the reasons that the US can not adopt that model is that the histories and cultures of the USA and Scandinavian are completely different, not to mention population size. The USA is also far more diverse in urban/suburban/rural locales, the development of different regions, diversity of ethnics/race/religions etc .However I do appreciate your reasoned response, as opposed to those who have nothing of substance to contribute.

And rhetoric aside, The NYC mayor elect has no realistic plan to pay for these programs, and no biographical expertise to implement such programs.
This is NYC, not some small town with population less than 1000. The failures that could (and maybe even are likely to) happen
would have major effects across sectors.

The establishment response, as you describe, may not have the best priorities in some cases, but it is not all wrong, either.
Much of what results are imperfect solutions/policies in an imperfect world.
People ultimately pursue their own self-interest, regardless of economic status.
It is Adam Smith's "The Invisible Hand" at work, and it has been overwhelmingly successful over time, in results and predicting economic choices.
Socialism did not launch Apple and Microsoft, for example, not to mention thousands of private sector innovations from numerous corporate entities
The wealthy have far more options,
but the middle class is being increasingly burdened. The pie-in -the-sky policies will impact them negatively,
just by their mere proposals. People and business who can leave, will leave, and taxes will increase while resources decrease
That is a recipe for an economic catastrophe.
There is no paradise, and never will be, as long as we imperfect humans are here
 
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