Making of a Legend: Gone with the Wind

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I got the impression that Scarlett didn't want Ashley because she really wanted him, but because she assumed she could have him if she wanted him.
And then Leslie Howard's somewhat underwhelming physical appearance kinda makes sense to me.

In the book, Ashley's a metaphor for the old world for which Scarlett pines. In the movie, her fixation for him just seems designed to piss off Rhett.
 

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Cooper is my favorite of the 1930s male stars and certainly better than Howard -- I think he might be too much better. Cooper as Ashley throws the story out of whack because then Scarlett preferring Ashley over Rhett makes sense. There should be a touch of delusion in Scarlett's pining for Ashley but Cooper was maybe the only star of the era more charismatic than Gable.
He was wooed to play Butler and said of that time: "It was one of the best roles ever offered in Hollywood ... But I said no. I didn't see myself as quite that dashing, and later, when I saw Clark Gable play the role to perfection, I knew I was right."
 

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Gosh, I just realised that I have no idea who Gary Cooper is. I looked him up and his face doesn't look familiar at all.
I thought I knew him from the PUTTIN' ON THE RITZ song "dressed up like a million-dollar trouper, trying hard to look like Gary Cooper" but subconsciously I have always been thinking of Cary Grant, apparently.
 

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Gosh, I just realised that I have no idea who Gary Cooper is. I looked him up and his face doesn't look familiar at all.
I thought I knew him from the PUTTIN' ON THE RITZ song "dressed up like a million-dollar trouper, trying hard to look like Gary Cooper" but subconsciously I have always been thinking of Cary Grant, apparently.

Cooper is the most underrated actor of his era, from today's POV. He was ultra-beautiful when he was young, ultra-charming in his comedies, and ultra-convincing in his dramas. In this case, the Academy did right by giving him 2 Oscars. For a while, I thought that Kevin Costner should have played him in a biopic. Besides, if you look at him, you can see a bit of James Dean or Brando in him (who of course debuted many years after him). He played every role with dignity and quiet strength. His career is worth discovering, and you´d be surprised many times by how versatile he was.

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But I said no. I didn't see myself as quite that dashing, and later, when I saw Clark Gable play the role to perfection, I knew I was right."

Well Cooper was right in that regard. He wasn't well suited to Rhett; "scoundrel" wasn't his specialty. Cooper could have been suited for Ashley if Ashley was what Scarlett thought he was. But Ashley was a mundane fraud, not the idealistic golden boy that Scarlett imagined.
 

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Cooper is the most underrated actor of his era, from today's POV. He was ultra-beautiful when he was young, ultra-charming in his comedies, and ultra-convincing in his dramas. In this case, the Academy did right by giving him 2 Oscars. For a while, I thought that Kevin Costner should have played him in a biopic. Besides, if you look at him, you can see a bit of James Dean or Brando in him (who of course debuted many years after him). He played every role with dignity and quiet strength. His career is worth discovering, and you´d be surprised many times by how versatile he was.

Cooper was very beautiful in his youth. Not only did he anticipate the Deans and the Brandos in looks, but he patented a very naturalistic acting style that some would have you believe never existed prior to the 50s.
 

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Cooper could have been suited for Ashley if Ashley was what Scarlett thought he was. But Ashley was a mundane fraud, not the idealistic golden boy that Scarlett imagined.

See, now that's a good choice, Cooper for Ashley; Ashley may have been a fraud (I haven't read the book in 30 years) but anything is better than Miss Leslie Howard.

David O. Selzick wisely resisted having a contrived "happy ending":

 

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I agree, sometimes there are no happy endings or second chances in life. I actually love how the movie ended. It's a classic and it stayed true to the book. I wouldn't change a thing. That said I did enjoy the sequel series "Scarlett" that finally gave us a happy ending too. I especially like how it had Scarlett go back to find her Irish roots and reconnected with her family. :)
 

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David O. Selzick wisely resisted having a contrived "happy ending":

The ending is the best part of the movie. Conclusive yet ambiguous, a comeuppance for Scarlett and also an affirmation of her determination.

I didn't do more than peek at the mini-series sequel. Aside from being impossible to match the original cast -- although Ann-Margret as Belle was inspired -- there's no need for follow-up. The tantalizing possibilities left by the original is the ending, not an invitation for answers.
 

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I sometimes like when a film changes the ending from the original material because it makes it more original and surprises the audience. My favourite example of this is the 1979 Hair in which a totally different character dies at the end.

However, that alternative ending for Gone With The Wind doesn't work because it shows Scarlett as being weaker and more dependant on Rhett whereas Margaret Mitchell's ending shows her being strong, defiant and in control. They were right to consider alternative endings and also right to reject that one.
 
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