Making of a Legend: Gone with the Wind

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Paulette Goddard was one of Hollywood's best actresses, IMHO.
I haven't seen many of Paulette's films, but I've enjoyed what I have seen. She's good in THE WOMEN (1939).

But, as George Cukor pointed out years later, GWTW would never have become the classic of all time without Vivien Leigh in the role -- she was born to play it.
Vivien Leigh was destined to play Scarlett. It was in her DNA. Nobody else could've done it the way she did, and even people that don't like the movie admit that.
 

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I don't know if Leslie Howard was the perfect choice for Ashley, but from what I've seen I think it makes sense.
His slender appearance gives the character sort of a frailty, a weakness that supports his relationship with Scarlett and Melanie.
And I think the real attraction was his aristocracy which made for such a strong contrast with scallywag Rhett Butler.

To be honest, I didn't really see the big controversy but then again I'm not black so that's always going to feel different.
While it's told from a Southern point of view I'm not sure if the story supports it, especially when it has its representative in the somewhat caricature Scarlett O'Hara.
But even so, people who had those privileges and believes would obviously experience the end of it as a loss. To show it differently would be smarmy-revisionist as they would do it today (and make the whole story pointless).

The black characters in GWTW are not paricularly bright and I imagine that's how the slave owners wanted it e.g. not supporting any kind of education.
Furthermore, there's a difference between being content with a situation and to make the best of situation, and being the maid in a fancy mansion may not have been the worst option at that time, and the well-being of the master/employer could affect the situation of the slave.
This is very evident in the first part when Mammy is particularly concerned about Scarlett's health, but if she's responsible for the well-being of the three sisters then you can imagine what happens if she fails.

On the other hand I can understand that the omission of a black perspective would not be well received in the first half of the 20th century (as opposed to the 21st century when that very omission should be perceived as very telling ).
But regardless of the black characters and the "evil" yankees I think it showed (almost from the very beginning) that the South had been building castles on quicksand, an unsustainable fantasy.
As for the return to Tara and the love for the land, that itself has nothing to do with the conflict.
And since it is the land that feeds us, perhaps it is the only thing worth fighting for. Right now we're doing a great job destroying it.
 

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Looks and feels like scenes shot five years earlier.
According to one production page I saw, these scenes were shot on March 19, 21, 22, and 23, 1938. So, I would assume, they must've liked Margaret Tallichet, or at least kept her around to test Georgette Harvey, Kent Taylor, Alan Marshall, and others.
 

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According to one production page I saw, these scenes were shot on March 19, 21, 22, and 23, 1938. So, I would assume, they must've liked Margaret Tallichet, or at least kept her around to test Georgette Harvey, Kent Taylor, Alan Marshall, and others.

Of all the screen tests for Scarlett, I found Edyth Marrinner ("Susan Hayward") the most acceptable, had they not found Vivien Leigh.

I don't know if Leslie Howard was the perfect choice for Ashley, but from what I've seen I think it makes sense.
His slender appearance gives the character sort of a frailty, a weakness that supports his relationship with Scarlett and Melanie.

Leslie Howard was the only cast member who didn't want the role (and was the first one cast) and the only one Margaret Mitchell though ill-cast... The problem with Mr. Howard is that he's too prissy, not the kind of personality you'd believe Scarlett would be haunted by, as she was in the book, albeit a relic of The Old South. (As a result, in the movie, her fixation on him seem designed merely to vex Rhett and make him jealous).

It's hard to think who have been better casting for Ashley Wilkes, who could strike the patrician-but-genuinely-sensitive balance that Howard couldn't... Maybe Henry Fonda? But Fonda had just done JEZEBEL, a similar role in a similar film.

Leslie Howard is like Jack Coleman instead of Al Corley.

To be honest, I didn't really see the big controversy but then again I'm not black so that's always going to feel different.
While it's told from a Southern point of view I'm not sure if the story supports it, especially when it has its representative in the somewhat caricature Scarlett O'Hara.
But even so, people who had those privileges and believes would obviously experience the end of it as a loss. To show it differently would be smarmy-revisionist as they would do it today (and make the whole story pointless).

The black characters in GWTW are not paricularly bright and I imagine that's how the slave owners wanted it e.g. not supporting any kind of education.
Furthermore, there's a difference between being content with a situation and to make the best of situation, and being the maid in a fancy mansion may not have been the worst option at that time, and the well-being of the master/employer could affect the situation of the slave.
This is very evident in the first part when Mammy is particularly concerned about Scarlett's health, but if she's responsible for the well-being of the three sisters then you can imagine what happens if she fails.

On the other hand I can understand that the omission of a black perspective would not be well received in the first half of the 20th century (as opposed to the 21st century when that very omission should be perceived as very telling ).
But regardless of the black characters and the "evil" yankees I think it showed (almost from the very beginning) that the South had been building castles on quicksand, an unsustainable fantasy.
As for the return to Tara and the love for the land, that itself has nothing to do with the conflict.
And since it is the land that feeds us, perhaps it is the only thing worth fighting for. Right now we're doing a great job destroying it.

I think all that's probably why GWTW has never really been successfully-dismissed as racist-tripe in the way the truly ghastly BIRTH OF A NATION (1915) was and is. The nostalgia in GWRW resonates effectively enough that it mutes the soft-pedaling of the slavery issue. (Ashley's assertion that "we would have freed them ourselves if the war hadn't already freed them" -- or words to that effect -- has always felt a little lame, but it's as progressive as 1939 cinema was ever going to get).

I've known African-Americans who've had no problem with GWTW and even liked it.
 

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Of all the screen tests for Scarlett, I found Edyth Marrinner ("Susan Hayward") the most acceptable, had they not found Vivien Leigh.
I also found the young Susan Hayward quite good. With the proper coaching, she may have been a nice alternative had Vivien Leigh not been found and negotiations with Paulette Goddard fell through.
 

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Leslie Howard was the only cast member who didn't want the role
And then he also didn't want Scarlett. The nerve!
It's hard to think who have been better casting for Ashley Wilkes, who could strike the patrician-but-genuinely-sensitive balance that Howard couldn't.
I guess the obvious answer is too obvious, and impossible for more than one reason.

Are Ashley Wilkes and Maxim De Winter similar characters in a reverse role play situation?
 

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Goddard was a terrific actress, but all wrong.
Really? Maybe I misjudge her performance by the screen tests I've seen, but I thought she was good.

However, I also think Joan Bennett (one of the four finalists) was good in her tests, although Jean Arthur (who I generally like) wasn't right for the part at all, even if she was still in serious consideration as late as December 1938.
 

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She was good. But the wrong type.
I remember what George Cukor said about her in one of the color tests. He said "your face is so hard", and I think that sums her test footage up. She was too hard-looking and maybe a little too abrasive.
 

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I remember what George Cukor said about her in one of the color tests. He said "your face is so hard", and I think that sums her test footage up. She was too hard-looking and maybe a little too abrasive.

The note that Vivien Leigh always correctly struck as Scarlett O'Hara was that of a pretty, not-all-that-nice "popular" girl you once fleetingly knew in highschool.

Just as the note Priscilla Presley struck as Jenna Wade was that of a pretty, very-nice "popular" girl you once fleetingly knew in highschool.

It's weird. I can't entirely explain it. But, really....

And it's unsettling how much geriatric Gerald O'Hara reminds me of my own father when he was on the decline.

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The note that Vivien Leigh always correctly struck as Scarlett O'Hara was that of a pretty, not-all-that-nice "popular" girl you once fleetingly knew in highschool.

Just as the note Priscilla Presley struck as Jenna Wade struck was that of a pretty, very-nice "popular" girl you once fleetingly knew in highschool.

It's weird. I can't entirely explain it. But, really....

And it's unsettling how much geriatric Gerald O'Hara reminds me of my own father when he was on the decline.

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Funny you said that. The Catalan versions of "Dallas" and "GWTW" used the same voice for both Jenna & Scarlett...

The one that I found really awful in those tests was Lana Turner. She comes through as highly slappable...
 

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David O. Selznick found Lana Turner "completely inadequate", saying she was "too young to have a grasp for the part". On the flip side, Selznick thought her scene partner, Melvyn Douglas, was very good as Ashley. Douglas was ultimately passed over because he was "much too beefy physically".

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David O. Selznick found Lana Turner "completely inadequate", saying she was "too young to have a grasp for the part". On the flip side, Selznick thought her scene partner, Melvyn Douglas, was very good as Ashley. Douglas was ultimately passed over because he was "much too beefy physically".

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It's funny how many of the screen tests are better than the actual scenes in the completed movie -- Scarlett throwing herself at Ashley while he's splitting rails is better in the test. The final version in the film is much too flat.

And while Vivien Leigh was well-capable of turning gritty in the later scenes, the director kept her irritatingly shrill throughout the entire picture.

And those are the only real flaws for me in GWTW: Leslie Howard's casting, Scarlett never changing tone, and their never filming that scene on Pitty Pat's porch from the book.
 

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I can't deny it, but the frantic search for Scarlett O'Hara fascinates me. I love watching the screen tests, and just skimming through the list of actresses tested or at least considered for the role. The casting for GONE WITH THE WIND in general is fascinating to me.

Producer David O. Selznick knew that the search for Scarlett would provide entertainment for a Depression-weary America and keep public interest alive in a film he had neither the script, the money, or the guts to make. Selznick sent one of his associates, Kay Brown, through a tour of multiple Southern states, where AMERICAN IDOL-like open auditions took place. Women showed up in period costumes, clamoring to be Scarlett. Of her trip to Atlanta, Brown said she saw "every Miss Atlanta from twenty years back" and that she saw every woman from everyday housewives to small-town theater players.

Silvia Schulman Lardner, secretary to Selznick, said that "many, many women in Hollywood of stature also saw themselves as Scarlett" and that screen tests were made endlessly. The echo from the South was that Scarlett needed to be played by a Southern woman. Tallulah Bankhead, a native of Alabama, was apparently the first actress to screen test for Scarlett. Bankhead's film career had failed to take off in the early 1930s, and she had gone back to the theater by 1933. Selznick apparently found her test to be good enough, but since "innocence was never her vibe", had concerns about her ability to play the teenage Scarlett necessary for the first part of the story. Still, Selznick thought Bankhead had a place in the cast and would later offer her the role of saloon owner Belle Watling. Bankhead turned him down.

There were many suggestions for Scarlett—Luise Rainer, Mae West, ZaSu Pitts, Clara Bow, even a young Lucille Ball. None of these women received a test, but Selznick did reportedly announce once that Mae West had been cast to play Belle Watling, although West, like Bankhead, rejected the role as too small. Norma Shearer was publicized as being cast as Scarlett in 1938, but the public response to this was so negative that Selznick and Shearer both issued statements to the contrary.

Gossip columnist Jimmie Fidler announced on his radio show in early 1937 the six actresses who received the most public votes to play Scarlett by the public—Bette Daivs, Katharine Hepburn, Miriam Hopkins, Joan Crawford, Margaret Sullavan, and Barbara Stanwyck.

Bette Davis wrote in her autobiography that the nationwide search for Scarlett "infuriated" her. "It was insanity I not be given Scarlett," she wrote. She sought the role hard, it seems, but Selznick never saw her as a serious contender. She later starred in JEZEBEL (1938), a Southern melodrama sharing many structural similarities with GONE WITH THE WIND, a fact that upset Selznick. Even so, Warner Brothers still offered a package deal of Bette Davis, Errol Flynn, and financial support to Selznick, to which he refused. In later life, Davis would chuckle off missing out on playing Scarlett in interviews. She weaved it into a story of her turning down the role when Jack Warner offered to buy it for her, saying she thought it would be another of the poor-quality scripts she had been boycotting.

Katharine Hepburn lobbied hard to play Scarlett, and was aided by her good friend, director George Cukor. Selznick apparently felt Hepburn was ill-suited to the role, citing her lack of sex appeal and declining box office power in the late 1930s as his primary reasons. Selznick said in a memo: "If we line-up a cast of people like Hepburn and Leslie Howard, we'll have a nice picture for at least eight years ago."

Miriam Hopkins was apparently the actress that got Margaret Mitchell's endorsement, if you can call it that. Hopkins was born in Georgia, and had played similar roles in the past, but in her late thirties, she was thought too old for Scarlett.

Joan Crawford had been a big star for MGM for the last decade, but her box office popularity was slipping, too. She was also in her mid-thirties at the time and had played nothing on screen that would've made one see her as a plausible candidate for Scarlett. However, as the story goes, Selznick allegedly said had he still been at MGM, he could've assigned Crawford and Clark Gable to play Scarlett and Rhett and "called it a day".

Margaret Sullavan was a strong and popular actress in the 1930s, and she had played in a couple of Southern romances previously. This, I'm sure, aided her chances (with the public, at least) at being Scarlett. I have never found anything, however, that states what Selznick thought about Sullavan's possible casting, or even if he met with her.

Barbara Stanwyck had given some strong performances on film in the 1930s, and from that standpoint, would've been a good candidate for Scarlett. But whether Selznick saw her as a legitimate contender is something I have yet to find.

There were many, many other actresses to be screen tested for Scarlett. Terry Ray, Anita Louise, Margaret Tallichet, Nancy Coleman, Shirley Logan, Doris Jordan, Marcella Martin, and Mary Ray all tested on more than one day according to records from Selznick International Pictures. A pre-fame Lana Turner, then new to MGM, tested on two days in November 1938, but was dismissed as being "completely inadequate" for the role. Future Oscar winner Susan Hayward (under her given name Edythe Marrenner) also tested and was actually pretty good.

As of December 1938, Selznick had narrowed down his pick for Scarlett to four actresses: Jean Arthur, Joan Bennett, Paulette Goddard, and Vivien Leigh. As much as I like Arthur, I cannot understand why she was being considered for the role. She was just not right for the role from what I've seen in the tests she did. I thought Bennett was good, maybe a good alternative, and Goddard was good, too, which is why Selznick had her test so many times. Selznick practically convinced himself Goddard could play the role. She was the first to film a Technicolor screen test on December 20. Of course, Goddard's real-life romance with Charlie Chaplin stirred up controversy. There was a question on whether the two were married or living together in sin. Selznick feared negative publicity if Goddard were given the role, and she was ultimately passed over when she refused to produce a marriage license joining her and Chaplin together.

Vivien Leigh was introduced to David O. Selznick by his brother, agent Myron Selznick, at the filming of the Burning of Atlanta. "Hey, genius," he said to David, "meet your Scarlett O'Hara." David wrote to his wife, Irene Mayer Selznick, saying, "Leigh's the Scarlett dark horse." Leigh was told she had the part on Christmas Day 1938, and her casting was announced publicly on January 13, 1939.
 

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The casting for the other roles, outside Scarlett, also took some work.

For Rhett Butler, David O. Selznick tried to sell himself by casting Ronald Colman, Gary Cooper, and Errol Flynn. But the public was unanimous in their demanding Clark Gable for the role. Gable, however, hadn't any interest whatsoever, so Selznick used so other actors in screen tests with different actresses as Scarlett. Kent Taylor was one little-known actor used in tests as a stand-in Rhett. Selznick could only get Gable by booking a deal with MGM and its chief, his father-in-law Louis B. Mayer. Gable agreed to the role only on the assurance that he could divorce his wife Ria to marry film star Carole Lombard. Gable's discarded wife was paid $500,000 by MGM to divorce Gable and he, in turn, agreed to take the role. Even so, Gable had little enthusiasm and refused to use any form of a Southern accent.

There were many men tested or suggested for Ashley Wilkes as well. Jeffrey Lynn "completely unimpressed" Selznick and he was dismissed. Melvyn Douglas gave a good test, and Selznick liked him, but found him "much too beefy physically" and removed him from consideration. Leslie Howard had been suggested as Ashley early on, but Selznick had little interest for a long time. After other tests and negotiations fell through, Selznick finally offered Howard the role. Howard, just like Gable, had no interest in being in the film, and did not enjoy the experience.

For Melanie, there were many, many actresses tested, among them Andrea Leeds, Anne Shirley, and Jean Kent. Marsha Hunt was reportedly told she had been cast as Melanie by Selznick, and only learned Olivia de Havilland had been cast three days later when her mother read it in the trade papers.

There were even multiple candidates for Mammy. Bing Crosby suggested Georgette Harvey, who filmed a test with Margaret Tallichet as Scarlett. First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt wrote Selznick and suggested her personal cook, Elizabeth McDuffie, for the role. McDuffie did not get a screen test, but she did allegedly form a close friendship with Margaret Mitchell. Hattie Noel and Hattie McDaniel were both used in tests with the four finalists for Scarlett in December 1938. McDaniel was cast soon thereafter.
 

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Susan Hayward ... Joan Bennett, Paulette Goddard

These are really the only candidates who made any sense. The others were too old or lacking in the necessary appeal. I like Goddard a lot -- really, much more than Leigh overall -- but her winning screen qualities were likeability and vivaciousness. Neither of those are really qualities that Scarlett needed. Bennet was physically great for the role and played some terrific noir bitches later in her career, but I've seen no evidence that she had the fire necessary for Scarlett. Hayward is the most intriguing, given her later career. But circa 1939, she was awfully inexperienced. Even Leigh, a relative unknown, had much more film and stage experience at that point. Was Hayward capable of greatness so early on? Impossible to say either way. Maybe with Cukor as a guide, but possibly less so under the rough Fleming and the overly expansive Selznick.
 
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