My Thoughts on Back to the Cul-de-Sac (1997)

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Paige was in it, but out of it by the three minute mark. Nicolette Sheridan was filming a movie elsewhere at the time and could only get away for half a day.
Thats what a fast forward is for!

I liked Anne on the show, but she wasn't needed in the reunion at all, just as Claudia and Kate weren't needed. My only guess has to be that Michelle Phillips volunteered her services when she heard about the reunion, and that Stacy Galina was included solely to stir up trouble for Gary and Valene.
Hated all of them- ANNE was a smirking idiot. Waiting to wink at the camera. I know she was dropped in to fill Abby's place, but of course, no one could replace Abby.

Agreed. For Dynasty it was more like a delayed finale than a reunion. You could say the same about JR Returns.
But at least both shows had endings.... JR Returns is fine, but we get a lame follow-up. And why on Earth did we not get at least two or three more Dynasty movies throughout the 1990's. Ratings this and that, ABC had a brand that could have been a long running thing like COLUMBO!

I see what you're saying, but I still tend to side with BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC being done too soon after the original series had ended.



Here, I agree. The reunion wasn't very good.



I finished my binge of DYNASTY a few years back, and I've yet to watch THE REUNION that aired just two years after the show ended.
DYNASTY was needed, the series ended on several cliffhangers, so it needed to return, but it appeared to be a victim of budget slashing as it looks cheap. And Gordon Thompson was unavailable, so they stupidly went forward without him.

True. DYNASTY was left on multiple cliffhangers, and I would've loved to have seen how David Paulsen might've ended things had he been given a Season 10 to do just that. Even as bad as DYNASTY got and how low its ratings fell, I still think it was cancelled prematurely. It had just gotten very good again, and it's devoted fans desired a good sendoff.

Which, I guess, is why the Shapiros got together and thought THE REUNION was a good idea. Joan Collins said it was "terrible", and Linda Evans apparently had to go watch old episodes to remember how to play Krystle.

Yet, I still haven't watched the 1991 miniseries, which some evidently thought might've geared DYNASTY up "for another possible run".
The stupid part is Dynasty's lowest rating was merely a #42. It should have been moved away from NBC's blockbuster thursday nights... even KNOTS LANDING took a hit from this line-up. DALLAS sunk way further than that when it was renewed in its last years. Instead of the reunion, an abbreviated season should went forward.
 

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I'm not sure if it is indeed included in the package, since the miniseries was produced by different people than the series. I also don't recall anyone on here mentioning having seen it when we were discussing the acquisition of the series by Plex.
 

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I just Plex. BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC is not on there.

Better that way. It just looks like one of Val´s offscreen nightmares, or a draft for her next scandalous book... where Abby comes back from Hell...

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Richard should have come back! Instead of that boring Ginger.
It was only blink-and-you-miss it. Her put-down of Kenny was funny, though.
 

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I thought I had started a thread about the miniseries somewhere, but I couldn't find it. If I have and someone finds it, link it here and we can get an admin to hopefully merge the discussions together.

I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC today and tonight. It was a rainy day, so I figured why not? Why not pop in my DVD and see what the KNOTS crew were up to?

I'm going to discuss the miniseries randomly, mentioning actors, characters, and plotlines. So, here's the spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't watched it yet and doesn't want anything ruined.

First, it was good seeing the core cast back together. I'll applaud everyone for sliding right back into their characters nicely. They all seemed to practically pick up right where they left off with the series finale back in 1993.

The miniseries played like a little story arc from the later seasons of the show, which isn't a bad thing.

Karen and Mack are celebrating their 15th wedding anniversary when the miniseries starts off. Valene's thrown them a party, and Abby's surprising them with a gift for herself --- she's bought a house in Malibu (which Gary so graciously remembers being a favorite place of his ex-wife's), and therefore will be moving out of the cul-de-sac. Karen and Valene make some quips and toss around a few looks, cheekily letting the audience and Abby know she will not necessarily be missed. Too bad for the Abster, though, when the IRS pops in a couple of days later and informs her that her assets are frozen. Her house and furnishings are taken and this forces her into Mack and Karen's house because, as you know, they're "family" because of Sid Fairgate.

Valene's book "Hostage" has become a bestseller, and a producer has recruiter her to pen a screenplay with a hot shot Oscar nominated writer named Clay McKinney. Naturally, Clay turns out to be an alcoholic who tries to woo Valene into his bedroom. She declines all his advances, and is saddened when he takes the credit for her work --- a "twist" I saw coming from a mile away. Such a story tactic is commonplace for plots concerning writers in TV shows and movies. Oh, and Valene becomes a suspect in Clay's death when he is found dead in his swimming pool. It all melts away, however, when Valene tells the police the truth about the last time she saw Clay.

That's not the only thing to throw Gary and Valene's marriage a curve ball, though. Kate comes back to Knots Landing and brings her daughter Molly with her (the name immediately reminds of Kenny and Ginger's daughter "Erin Molly" from Season 4). Drama ensues as Kate reveals little Molly was fathered by Gary back when she and he had a little fling while Valene was believed dead. There's tension drawn from Gary deciding what to do and Valene learning about it before Gary tells her, but it all sort of fades away as Kate has entered a relationship with Abby's now-grown son Brian.

Karen and Mack's marriage also hits some rough patches as Mack apparently goes through a mid-life crisis. He has problems at work, which are only worsened by Meg's desire to know who her biological parents are.

Abby's back up to her old tricks. She needs money to pay back taxes to the IRS and begs Gary and Sumner for a job. They both hire her --- Gary as Karen's assistant, and Sumner as a snoop to get information he needs to get out of a lawsuit brought upon him by Mack (there's an ongoing plot where Mack's suing Sumner for closing down a warehouse and putting multiple people out of work).

And there's Greg getting tangled up with some business in Thailand. He's still power-hungry, and he's got some big tricks up his sleeve. He gets bored with it all, however, and eventually hands the scheme over to Abby.

Let's get to point:

I didn't really like the miniseries. The Season 14 finale hadn't left any questions unanswered, so bringing forth a reunion so quickly was not necessarily warranted. CBS only green-lit BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC once JR RETURNS raked in some big ratings in 1996. When the KNOTS underperformed based on their expectations, further reunions were scrapped.

Stories vary, but at least some of the KNOTS cast were "pressured" to return for the miniseries in 1997. Donna Mills has spoken how she hadn't wanted to come back, while I'd be willing to bet the likes of Michele Lee and Joan Van Ark were perhaps more quickly to agree to returning to their cash cow. Considering Michelle Phillips' Anne Matheson Sumner hasn't any story in the miniseries, I'd be willing to bet Phillips volunteered her services without the producers necessarily wanting her back. All Anne does in the miniseries is make sarcastic remarks to Abby and Greg. Oh, and she's developed psychic powers apparently. But that doesn't go anywhere outside of some humorous remarks about her "powers" made by Greg.

Nicollette Sheridan only agreed to do a cameo, and she's gone before the credits roll at the beginning of Part 1. She's finally fed up with Sumner not wanting any kids, and she leaves both him and Knots Landing.

I must say I don't really like any of the storylines presented in the miniseries. I don't like how both the core couples --- Karen & Mack and Gary & Valene --- are thrown into a crisis. Karen & Mack's issues seem like a rehash of what we got in Season 13 and 14 when he gets all caught up in the Mary Robeson mess. And the thing about Meg wanting to know her real parents gets a little tiresome, although I do like how they do a call-back to Laura's farewell videotape (even though Constance McCashin refused to allow her voice or image be used, leaving the voice to be that of a sound-alike actress).

What I do like is how many cameos we get. I was excited to see both Claudia Lonow and Patrick Petersen pop up, although much isn't done with their stories; poor Diana is seen at Karen and Mack's anniversary celebration and then not seen again. I also liked seeing Tonya Crowe back as Olivia, but her screen time was limited to the anniversary celebration as well. Brian Austin Green is back as the maturing Brian Cunningham, Abby's good-looking son that's developed a romance with Kate and become a father to her daughter Molly. I liked Green being there, but his scenes with Kate read like discarded 90210 plotlines.

I was most excited to see Kim Lankford back as Ginger Ward, a neighbor who lived on the cul-de-sac in the first four seasons. I know she was just there for an in and out cameo, but I would've liked it had she moved back to Knots Landing and been apart of the reunion in a significant plot. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm not disappointed I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, but it's safe to safe I won't revisit it any time soon. It was basically pointless and mostly underwhelming, even though it pays homage to the fans and commodore among the characters we've all come to enjoy.

BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC does some meta-like references, too. When Valene goes to the movie studio for the first time, the woman she mistakes for Stefanie Powers is said to be Michele Lee by the guard (the woman isn't seen though). There's also an instance where Mack is flipping the channels on the TV. One channel plays the final few bars of the KNOTS theme as the Lorimar end credits logo is shown on the screen. I thought both references were cute.

I must say that I liked how the miniseries ends with a sense of humor. Michael and Laurie arrive to tell Karen they're pregnant, which Abby finds funny. The tables turn on her, however, when Brian and Kate tell Abby they're pregnant. The final shot is of Abby and Karen stunned and smiling, respectively, as they respond to the news of becoming grandmas.

What's your thoughts?

What did and didn't you like?

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I thought I had started a thread about the miniseries somewhere, but I couldn't find it. If I have and someone finds it, link it here and we can get an admin to hopefully merge the discussions together.

I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC today and tonight. It was a rainy day, so I figured why not? Why not pop in my DVD and see what the KNOTS crew were up to?

I'm going to discuss the miniseries randomly, mentioning actors, characters, and plotlines. So, here's the spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't watched it yet and doesn't want anything ruined.

First, it was good seeing the core cast back together. I'll applaud everyone for sliding right back into their characters nicely. They all seemed to practically pick up right where they left off with the series finale back in 1993.

The miniseries played like a little story arc from the later seasons of the show, which isn't a bad thing.

Karen and Mack are celebrating their 15th wedding anniversary when the miniseries starts off. Valene's thrown them a party, and Abby's surprising them with a gift for herself --- she's bought a house in Malibu (which Gary so graciously remembers being a favorite place of his ex-wife's), and therefore will be moving out of the cul-de-sac. Karen and Valene make some quips and toss around a few looks, cheekily letting the audience and Abby know she will not necessarily be missed. Too bad for the Abster, though, when the IRS pops in a couple of days later and informs her that her assets are frozen. Her house and furnishings are taken and this forces her into Mack and Karen's house because, as you know, they're "family" because of Sid Fairgate.

Valene's book "Hostage" has become a bestseller, and a producer has recruiter her to pen a screenplay with a hot shot Oscar nominated writer named Clay McKinney. Naturally, Clay turns out to be an alcoholic who tries to woo Valene into his bedroom. She declines all his advances, and is saddened when he takes the credit for her work --- a "twist" I saw coming from a mile away. Such a story tactic is commonplace for plots concerning writers in TV shows and movies. Oh, and Valene becomes a suspect in Clay's death when he is found dead in his swimming pool. It all melts away, however, when Valene tells the police the truth about the last time she saw Clay.

That's not the only thing to throw Gary and Valene's marriage a curve ball, though. Kate comes back to Knots Landing and brings her daughter Molly with her (the name immediately reminds of Kenny and Ginger's daughter "Erin Molly" from Season 4). Drama ensues as Kate reveals little Molly was fathered by Gary back when she and he had a little fling while Valene was believed dead. There's tension drawn from Gary deciding what to do and Valene learning about it before Gary tells her, but it all sort of fades away as Kate has entered a relationship with Abby's now-grown son Brian.

Karen and Mack's marriage also hits some rough patches as Mack apparently goes through a mid-life crisis. He has problems at work, which are only worsened by Meg's desire to know who her biological parents are.

Abby's back up to her old tricks. She needs money to pay back taxes to the IRS and begs Gary and Sumner for a job. They both hire her --- Gary as Karen's assistant, and Sumner as a snoop to get information he needs to get out of a lawsuit brought upon him by Mack (there's an ongoing plot where Mack's suing Sumner for closing down a warehouse and putting multiple people out of work).

And there's Greg getting tangled up with some business in Thailand. He's still power-hungry, and he's got some big tricks up his sleeve. He gets bored with it all, however, and eventually hands the scheme over to Abby.

Let's get to point:

I didn't really like the miniseries. The Season 14 finale hadn't left any questions unanswered, so bringing forth a reunion so quickly was not necessarily warranted. CBS only green-lit BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC once JR RETURNS raked in some big ratings in 1996. When the KNOTS underperformed based on their expectations, further reunions were scrapped.

Stories vary, but at least some of the KNOTS cast were "pressured" to return for the miniseries in 1997. Donna Mills has spoken how she hadn't wanted to come back, while I'd be willing to bet the likes of Michele Lee and Joan Van Ark were perhaps more quickly to agree to returning to their cash cow. Considering Michelle Phillips' Anne Matheson Sumner hasn't any story in the miniseries, I'd be willing to bet Phillips volunteered her services without the producers necessarily wanting her back. All Anne does in the miniseries is make sarcastic remarks to Abby and Greg. Oh, and she's developed psychic powers apparently. But that doesn't go anywhere outside of some humorous remarks about her "powers" made by Greg.

Nicollette Sheridan only agreed to do a cameo, and she's gone before the credits roll at the beginning of Part 1. She's finally fed up with Sumner not wanting any kids, and she leaves both him and Knots Landing.

I must say I don't really like any of the storylines presented in the miniseries. I don't like how both the core couples --- Karen & Mack and Gary & Valene --- are thrown into a crisis. Karen & Mack's issues seem like a rehash of what we got in Season 13 and 14 when he gets all caught up in the Mary Robeson mess. And the thing about Meg wanting to know her real parents gets a little tiresome, although I do like how they do a call-back to Laura's farewell videotape (even though Constance McCashin refused to allow her voice or image be used, leaving the voice to be that of a sound-alike actress).

What I do like is how many cameos we get. I was excited to see both Claudia Lonow and Patrick Petersen pop up, although much isn't done with their stories; poor Diana is seen at Karen and Mack's anniversary celebration and then not seen again. I also liked seeing Tonya Crowe back as Olivia, but her screen time was limited to the anniversary celebration as well. Brian Austin Green is back as the maturing Brian Cunningham, Abby's good-looking son that's developed a romance with Kate and become a father to her daughter Molly. I liked Green being there, but his scenes with Kate read like discarded 90210 plotlines.

I was most excited to see Kim Lankford back as Ginger Ward, a neighbor who lived on the cul-de-sac in the first four seasons. I know she was just there for an in and out cameo, but I would've liked it had she moved back to Knots Landing and been apart of the reunion in a significant plot. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm not disappointed I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, but it's safe to safe I won't revisit it any time soon. It was basically pointless and mostly underwhelming, even though it pays homage to the fans and commodore among the characters we've all come to enjoy.

BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC does some meta-like references, too. When Valene goes to the movie studio for the first time, the woman she mistakes for Stefanie Powers is said to be Michele Lee by the guard (the woman isn't seen though). There's also an instance where Mack is flipping the channels on the TV. One channel plays the final few bars of the KNOTS theme as the Lorimar end credits logo is shown on the screen. I thought both references were cute.

I must say that I liked how the miniseries ends with a sense of humor. Michael and Laurie arrive to tell Karen they're pregnant, which Abby finds funny. The tables turn on her, however, when Brian and Kate tell Abby they're pregnant. The final shot is of Abby and Karen stunned and smiling, respectively, as they respond to the news of becoming grandmas.

What's your thoughts?

What did and didn't you like?

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Someone should have told the writers we only get ONE mid-life crisis - this is the 3rd one they've created for Mack just to create some crisis between him and Karen. The truth, which would have been far more interesting to write, is that Mack and Karen were emotional opposites with disparate world views: she was the Pollyanna optimist whereas he was the stereotypical Irish pessimist - there was even a scene where he talks about it. As my psych professor loved to say, opposites attract and beat the hell outta each other, and somehow it works...
 
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During the period of time they were batting around concepts for a reunion (around 1995 and 1996), I recall someone suggested that instead of a mini-series format, they ought to have produced a six-episode "midseason replacement," a self-contained series that would be inserted into CBS's schedule when/if they cancelled one of their new fall shows. I liked the idea of hour-long episodes once per week (like the old days) rather than a TV-movie format. The format they ultimately chose---two, two-hour blocks---seems to encourage writers to write too many subplots, attempt to "do too much" in the longer allotted time. In a weekly format, they could set up fewer plots and spend a few minutes of each successive episode doing recap/exposition in case the viewer missed the previous episode. Instead, it felt like the first hour of the four was spent setting up a myriad of plots, and when picking up the second half they had no time for exposition because they had to focus on unravelling all those stories they's set up. It also left no time to "ruminate" over what was happening, something a weekly format would have allowed in the six days we'd wait for the next episode. Instead of a "journey" with the characters, it was more of a rollercoaster ride.
Honestly, even just scripting it as four proper episodes probably would've been better - these shows just don't work in a movie format. And yes, that also goes for JR Returns, which most people at least seems to like. As you said, what happened was that they had to use the first "movie" to set a lot of things up, which led to the resolutions falling flat in the second part. If it had been scripted as episodes, I suspect there would've been a better flow to everything where some things could wrap up as early as episode 2 with story threads set up during all four episodes instead of more or less exposition dumping in the first two hours.
 

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I picture a scene where Bobby and Betsy are arguing over what they want to watch on TV. Betsy has the remote and wants to watch music videos. Cathy Geary is seen belting out some song on the TV, which startles Val as she walks through the room with some laundry. Bobby grabs the remote and pushes a button that takes them to another show, but Val asks Bobby to turn it back to the previous channel. Bobby can't find the channel and Val recommends they just turn off the TV and help her fold laundry.
 

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That would have been a wonderful storyline. Back then, I often imagined that after Ben disappeared from Knots Landing, he would have searched for Cathy and started a life with her.
However, I know that Lisa Hartman and Doug Sheehan weren't happy about their love story. Last fall, a friend of mine visited an archive containing the old Knots Landing records, the Story Bible, character descriptions and planned character developments from the writers and producers, as well as casting suggestions. There, you could discover interesting planned story arcs that were unfortunately only mentioned in passing or never realized.
Incidentally, there were always considerations about bringing Lisa Hartman back to the series, at least for guest appearances. It never came to fruition (including season 12) because she had other TV commitments.
 

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I don’t consider BTTCDS part of my “head canon.” Meaning, to me, it’s akin to fanfiction and doesn’t “count.” Do others here consider it to be canon?
It has all our people in it—YES, it does. It's far superior to Dynasty's ignominious return.

Am I making it weird if I ask who topped?
Richard, of course.

They should have bring back Harold and especially Cathy!
Harold was doofus. Not sure where Cathy would have fit in.
 

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It has all our people in it—YES, it does.
Except for Constance McCashin's voice as Laura on the VHS videotape. I heard that she vetoed her original 1987 voice being used, so another actress did the voice. I don't even know who that other actress was.

It's far superior to Dynasty's ignominious return.
Absolutely. As a matter of interest, are you referring to the 1991 Dynasty return, or 2017-2022?
 
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