Platner, Dems, and the Maine Senate Race

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Whelp. The Dems have done it again. They picked the most controversial candidate they could find to run against Susan Collins in the Maine Senate race and then he had to drop out amid sexual assault allegations. Now, Dems must replay the dreadful process that we just saw with Kamala Harris, where the ultimate candidate will be selected instead of elected.

Collins is so vulnerable, and could have been beat this go round, but the Dems shot themselves in the foot. Again.
 
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I've been reading up on him recently since he's been in the news, and his platform basically consists of the progressive policies I support. Unfortunately, he seems like just the guy to undermine it with his edgelord/shitposting past. Of course, that's the least of his problems considering the sexual assault allegations against him. I'm usually skeptical of such claims when they're made against someone running against the establishment, but even his own campaign official admitted he had sexted at least 6 women while he was married. That alone doesn't make him guilty of sexual assault, but one of his alleged victims has Facebook messages going back to 2023 that appear to corroborate her claim.

Like @Crimson, I've said it before that the Dems are controlled opposition. Even the "progressives" who aren't ousted by scandals end up co-opted by the establishment. As for Platner, I wouldn't be surprised if he was part of a scheme to fail from the start so the party could select the candidate they actually want. Dems talk about democracy like it's the greatest thing ever, yet their constant interference in elections shows us what they really think about the will of the voters. It all comes down to stopping the progressive movement because they've chosen to be a party of neocons. The fact that they touted Dick Cheney's endorsement of their selected presidential candidate in 2024 says it all.

Now there's talk of Kamala Harris running again in 2028, and some progressive groups foolishly believe she will pivot and support their policies. It's the definition of insanity.
 
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The more I reflect on this, the more I find it amazing that the Dems allowed Mamdani to run a successful campaign for Mayor of New York. He's way to progressive for the establishment Dems.
 

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For one thing, the Democrats are willing to throw themselves on the altar of defeat rather than admit that some women lie.

MTG (who has improved over time) was on, yes, THE VIEW the other day and she said she knew "what a professional hit job looks like" and then the hosts attacked her, creating a bizarre dynamic where a Republican guest was defending a Democrat and then a panel of mostly Democratic hosts begin fighting her over it (using all the usual "we should respect victims" passive-aggressive talking points).

Did they have that attitude about the woman, a campaign staffer, who much more 'credibly accused' (a slippery slope term, if ever there was one) Joe Biden of groping her?? She was banished to Siberia, and the media only mentioned her just enough to smear her and then close the book on the subject.

And the feminists have always displayed the pattern of caring very little about women who tell the truth about abuse while rabidly defending women who lie (especially when proven to have lied). So there's something about the latter that the feminists relate to.

But then, Biden is a Zionist. And Platner claims not to be. (Although the nazi tattoo takes that a little too far). And check out who coached Platner's accuser.

I'm not saying he's not a creep in his own right, however. As you say: controlled opposition.
 
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For one thing, the Democrats are willing to throw themselves on the altar of defeat rather than admit that some women lie.

MTG (who has improved over time) was on, yes, THE VIEW the other day and she said she knew "what a professional hit job looks like" and then the hosts attacked her, creating a bizarre dynamic where a Republican guest was defending a Democrat and then a panel of mostly Democratic hosts begin fighting her over it (using all the usual "we should respect victims" passive-aggressive talking points).

Did they have that attitude about the woman, a campaign staffer, who much more 'credibly accused' (a slippery slope term, if ever there was one) Joe Biden of groping her?? She was banished to Siberia, and the media only mentioned her just enough to smear her and then close the book on the subject.

And the feminists have always displayed the pattern of caring very little about women who tell the truth about abuse while rabidly defending women who lie (especially when proven to have lied). So there's something about the latter that the feminists relate to.

But then, Biden is a Zionist. And Platner claims not to be. (Although the nazi tattoo takes that a little too far). And check out who coached Platner's accuser.

I'm not saying he's not a creep in his own right, however. As you say: controlled opposition.
It also goes to show that not all Dems are created equal. Platner's platform is too progressive for the neoliberals on The View, which incentivizes them to believe his accusers.

Platner reminds me of Russell Brand. Both have sleazy pasts, which helps the credibility along when it comes to even more heinous sexual assault allegations. Whether they're true or not doesn't matter. The allegations alone are a campaign killer (unless, of course, you're an establishment shill as you mentioned). Dems sweep the latter under the rug.
 
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The more I reflect on this, the more I find it amazing that the Dems allowed Mamdani to run a successful campaign for Mayor of New York. He's way to progressive for the establishment Dems.
Oh, I'm sure they'll find a way to control him. The four members of "the squad" made it to Congress, but they were subsequently "cured" of their ideals.
 

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When the Platner allegations of sexual abuse of women became public, the Democrats called for him to stand down and he suspected his campaign. By contrast, when allegations of sexual abuse of women (including those proven in court) were made against Donald Trump, the Republican Party defended him and America voted for him. One party has a lot more integrity than the other.
 

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Selective integrity doesn't impress me. The Dems only have "integrity" when the allegations are made against someone they oppose.

When similar allegations were made against establishment tools like Clinton and Biden, they defended them to the death and voted for them too.

Of course, these cases are tricky across the board because the alleged victims usually wait until the guy is running for office to come forward. Partisans generally call for due process in cases like this when the accusations are levied against someone they support, but that typically goes out the window once they're levied at the opposition. Platner may have been running as a Democrat, but the establishment Dems hate progressives far more than they hate Republicans. His accusers may or may not be telling the truth, but the Dem establishment doesn't care either way. All that matters is that they can exploit it to their advantage, despite trying to discredit Clinton and Biden's accusers.
 
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Platner was a problematic candidate long before the sexual assault allegations. Yes, that was the nail in the coffin, but it seemed to me he was bound to implode at any moment all through the campaign.

As for these sexual assault allegations in general, I believe all women - and men for that matter - who claim they are sexually assaulted deserve to be listened to. Having said that, we should listen with caution. As Snarky often points out, some people lie. Lives and careers have been destroyed because of false allegations. Other, clearly proven accusations seem to be ignored and swept under the rug. Seems to me that consequences depend not on what you've done, but who you are.
 

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When the Platner allegations of sexual abuse of women became public, the Democrats called for him to stand down and he suspected his campaign. By contrast, when allegations of sexual abuse of women (including those proven in court) were made against Donald Trump, the Republican Party defended him and America voted for him. One party has a lot more integrity than the other.

They smeared Tara Reade whose accusations against Biden rang true totally; she had to leave the country. We've got to get out of this My Side vs. Their Side (i.e., good vs evil) mindset.

Glenn Greenwald is one of the better commentators out there... this is about an hour long:

 

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To be fair, Reade made it a lot easier to smear her by lying about her academic degrees and her career achievements, wrecking her own credibility.

The problem with ALL of these high profile, last minute, political accusations is that they never are supported by any real proof. I'm not saying the women are lying, but I am saying that the accusations themselves are almost never enough to prove guilt (or innocence). The public in general has become so skeptical of these stories that I'm not sure Platner wouldn't have survived this (though his accuser did have some messages to seem to support her story). Even in Trump's case, he was found liable in a civil court where evidence standards are much more lenient than in a criminal court.
 

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(though his accuser did have some messages to seem to support her story).

This morning, on the television machine, it was revealed that those messages could not be accessed and had not been seen by the reporter who'd interviewed the accuser -- but he'd neglected to mention that earlier, his previous story sounding as if he'd indeed viewed them.

Other reporters today who cried "foul" (without questioning the accuser's veracity) were called "misogynists who hate women" by Democratic operatives.
 

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This morning, on the television machine, it was revealed that those messages could not be accessed and had not been seen by the reporter who'd interviewed the accuser -- but he'd neglected to mention that earlier, his previous story sounding as if he'd indeed viewed them.
So, she TOLD the reporter she had the messages, but never showed him and he reported they existed without ever seeing them?

Wish I could say I was shocked, but I'm not.
 

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To be fair, Reade made it a lot easier to smear her by lying about her academic degrees and her career achievements, wrecking her own credibility.

2024: Tara Reade was interviewed by Tucker -- among other things, she insists she didn't lie about her education:

 
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