Re-casting -- and flipping -- John Ross and Christopher ?

[ChrisEwing2003]

Just what has Jacobs contradicted? If you mean Katzman and his closing years of oldDALLAS, yes, we criticize those all the time -- if anything, they may be worse than Cidre's nuDALLAS.

The idea of Christopher being the bad guy is contradicting to the canon because Christopher NEVER acted like JR in the show AT ALL, Christopher is not the one that ran away from Southfork because he was jealous of James Beaumont and his son, that was John Ross. Who else left Southfork because he was jealous things didn't go his way, JR Ewing. JR left Southfork when Miss Ellie gave part of Southfork to Clayton. JR only returned to Southfork so it bettered his chances to keep John Ross when he and Sue Ellen divorced again. When the show ended, Christopher wanted to work on Southfork, and wanted nothing to do with the oil business. You can't sit there, and lecture Cidre for writing Cliff as dark as he was in the new series when what your suggesting for Christopher is even worse because there is NO HINT that Christopher would act like that. At least the fact that Cliff hated JR is in the original show from start to finish and he did talk a few times of wanting JR dead.

Yet we could tinker with the idea that records were altered back '81 -- maybe more than once -- and that perhaps JR was Christopher's biological papa after all!

At least the renewed possibility could have been promising for nuDALLAS.

This is completely ridiculous. Kristin and Farraday died before Christopher was even a year old. The chances of him being influenced by them is ASTRONOMICAL at best. Plus Kristin wouldn't fake a miscarriage because that would have been counterproductive to her blackmails of JR, Jordan Lee, and anyone else. If they found out she miscarried, they would quit paying her. The only thing they could do for Christopher was say Kristin stole Christopher from someone else since we never saw her give birth. Plus, the only kid that they could twist who their father was is John Ross. Why because Sue Ellen had that little one night fling with Ray around the time she got pregnant. So they could easily say John Ross is the result of Sue Ellen and Ray.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

The idea of Christopher being the bad guy is contradicting to the canon because Christopher NEVER acted like JR in the show AT ALL, Christopher is not the one that ran away from Southfork because he was jealous of James Beaumont and his son, that was John Ross. Who else left Southfork because he was jealous things didn't go his way, JR Ewing. JR left Southfork when Miss Ellie gave part of Southfork to Clayton. JR only returned to Southfork so it bettered his chances to keep John Ross when he and Sue Ellen divorced again. When the show ended, Christopher wanted to work on Southfork, and wanted nothing to do with the oil business. You can't sit there, and lecture Cidre for writing Cliff as dark as he was in the new series when what your suggesting for Christopher is even worse because there is NO HINT that Christopher would act like that. At least the fact that Cliff hated JR is in the original show from start to finish and he did talk a few times of wanting JR dead.

This is completely ridiculous. Kristin and Farraday died before Christopher was even a year old. The chances of him being influenced by them is ASTRONOMICAL at best. Plus Kristin wouldn't fake a miscarriage because that would have been counterproductive to her blackmails of JR, Jordan Lee, and anyone else. If they found out she miscarried, they would quit paying her. The only thing they could do for Christopher was say Kristin stole Christopher from someone else since we never saw her give birth. Plus, the only kid that they could twist who their father was is John Ross. Why because Sue Ellen had that little one night fling with Ray around the time she got pregnant. So they could easily say John Ross is the result of Sue Ellen and Ray.

Maybe Christopher was a sociopath, one where there's little outward evidence of it as a child; they often come off better than everybody else on the surface. Especially if, between the first and second DALLAS series, Christopher was picked-up by a molester on the way home from school -- someone who was obsessed with him and had been following his activities for ages. And once released, Christopher was just "different" than he had been before.

In contrast, John Ross was just a bit spoiled and grew out of it once he grew up.

 

[JROG]

My ideal John Ross/Christopher scenario always was with John Ross starting off calculating/manipulating thanks to intense training by J.R. and following in his footsteps (as a need to prove himself to daddy and believing it'll bring results), while Christopher had a need to do the right things (thanks to his upbringing) but a desire to scheme and cheat as needed, which severely contradicts the values instilled in him.

As the series progressed, John Ross develops a conscience, creating internal conflict and outright battles with J.R., while Christopher increasingly gives into the dark side - at first manipulating in the shadows and eventually becoming known for his devilish ways, much to Bobby's horror.

Of course, once John Ross realizes what Christopher is like now, he must use his old ways... and Christopher will never completely forget his original values and never go too too far.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

How about Adrian Grenier and Josh Henderson as brothers -- just too sexy for Southfork??

 

[Toni]

How about Adrian Grenier and Josh Henderson as brothers -- just too sexy for Southfork??

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I just can´t picture Mr. Grenier saying "It´s because I´m adopted?". Too hot for self-pity...

PS: Where did you find that pic of his? It must be the only one of him with clothes on...

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I just can´t picture Mr. Grenier saying "It´s because I´m adopted?". Too hot for self-pity...

PS: Where did you find that pic of his? It must be the only one of him with clothes on...

I'm very prim and repressed.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Jesus, he's got to be a Taurus Rising...

 

[Jock's Ghost]

Do genetics destined one to be "good or bad" just like the parents?

Sometimes! I've known terrific parents that had monster kids for no real reason ..... And I've known lousy parents who had terrific kids in spite of it all.

 

[Jock's Ghost]

Throw in Lucas and we had a recipe for disaster...which is what Dallas is all about.

3 way race... just like with ray, bobby and JR.

 

[ChrisEwing2003]

I guess I am just in the minority again because I don't like Jacobs idea for wanting to make Christopher the bad guy just for the sake of it. Because to me it is a terrible idea. I am basing my opinion on what actually happened on the show, not twisting what happened to suit a horrible idea.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I guess I am just in the minority again because I don't like Jacobs idea for wanting to make Christopher the bad guy just for the sake of it. Because to me it is a terrible idea. I am basing my opinion on what actually happened on the show, not twisting what happened to suit a horrible idea.

What if he's seven forever, like what actually happened on the show? Is that a good idea?

 

[ChrisEwing2003]

What if he's seven forever, like what actually happened on the show? Is that a good idea?

I didn't mean that he can't be aged. What I am saying is that I don't get why liking Jacobs idea isn't a double standard based on the constant ridicule for the TNT series.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I didn't mean that he can't be aged.

Didn't you, though?

What I am saying is that I don't get why liking Jacobs idea isn't a double standard

A double-standard how?

 

[ChrisEwing2003]

Didn't you, though?



A double-standard how?

I didn't mean that he can't be aged. To me it is a double standard to lecture Cidre for getting things wrong, but praise Jacobs idea because he was wanting to do the same thing for the sake of it How is not a double standard to lecture that Cliff was way too dark based on where the original series left off, but yet Christopher having an even bigger personality shift is fine just because John Ross shouldn't be the bad guy.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I didn't mean that he can't be aged.

Oh. Sure you did.

To me it is a double standard to lecture Cidre for getting things wrong, but praise Jacobs idea because he was wanting to do the same thing for the sake of it

It isn't self-evidently the same thing at all!

How is not a double standard to lecture that Cliff was way too dark based on where the original series left off, but yet Christopher having an even bigger personality shift is fine just because John Ross shouldn't be the bad guy.

Your equivalencies never quite work for me.

 

[ChrisEwing2003]

I don't get yours either, but maybe its because I'm autistic, and this is something that I will never understand. So I give up trying to understand this and will just let you all enjoy talking about it. I have nothing more to add.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I don't get yours either, but maybe its because I'm autistic, and this is something that I will never understand. So I give up trying to understand this and will just let you all enjoy talking about it. I have nothing more to add.

Well, okay, but... I don't get how Cliff's dark downturn in nuDALLAS -- the only problem with that was the lack of explanation (and, yes, some things do need to be explained) -- is comparable to the good/bad switcheroo between John Ross & Christopher issue.

But don't feel bad. One of my supervisor friends once told me she thought I had a mild case of Asperger's --- which is really notable, because she was caring for an adult son who was full on Asperger's... Unfortunately, I was unable to make eye contact with her, and I missed all the social cues. So I wasn't sure what to do with the exchange or how to process it.

 

[lbf522]

Well, okay, but... I don't get how Cliff's dark downturn in nuDALLAS -- the only problem with that was the lack of explanation (and, yes, some things do need to be explained) -- is comparable to the good/bad switcheroo between John Ross & Christopher issue.

But don't feel bad. One of my supervisor friends once told me she thought I had a mild case of Asperger's --- which is really notable, because she was caring for an adult son who was full on Asperger's... Unfortunately, I was unable to make eye contact with her, and I missed all the social cues. So I wasn't sure what to do with the exchange or how to process it.

Yes Cliff's total 180 in his personality was awful. They made him evil. Blowing up a platform with people standing on it is bad enough but to continue to do it with your pregnant daughter standing is unforgivably evil. In the original series, Cliff was not a saint but he was not like this.

I have read that Ken Kercheval was not coming back to the show. If that is true, I don't blame him with the way they destroyed his character.

As for Jacobs's idea of making Christopher and John Ross the polar opposites of their dads could have worked it written well. Now that could only work if it were Christopher vs. Lucus instead of John Ross.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

es Cliff's total 180 in his personality was awful. They made him evil. Blowing up a platform with people standing on it is bad enough but to continue to do it with your pregnant daughter standing is unforgivably evil. In the original series, Cliff was not a saint but he was not like this.

I have read that Ken Kercheval was not coming back to the show. If that is true, I don't blame him with the way they destroyed his character.

Late-onset neurofibromatosis brain lesions. It's the only way.

 

[Toni]

I think both John Ross and Christopher were very nuanced on TNT´s sequel. JR actually was a total loser who couldn´t stop blaming others for what he did, and Chris was doomed to feel over-sentimental, and inferior (a bit like Ray) for being a bastard adopted. A good team of writers would have worked on that, especially with the inclusion of Lucas, that was announced but not done due to the cancellation. To be honest, I don´t think I see any family or group of characters on current TV that remind me the dysfunctionality of the Ewing and the Barneses. It´s all psychopaths, drug lords, sex trafficking, walking cliches (or dead!) and what not. I still want some iteration of "Dallas" back!!

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