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In Spain, all Miss Ellie and the 4 Carrington recastings kept their Spanish voices. They had a better concept of continuity than the producers themselves...
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In Spain, all Miss Ellie and the 4 Carrington recastings kept their Spanish voices. They had a better concept of continuity than the producers themselves...
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I don't watch series dubbed in french anymore, but I remember the Fallon's file. By Dynasty season 6 / The Colbys season 1, Fallon had two different french voices. They didn't keep the talented actress who dubbed Pamela Sue Martin (or maybe she was bored and quit) so Emma Samms Fallon landed in Dynasty's universe with two brand new voices: one for Dynasty and the other one for The Colbys... (So did John James, by the way) Why? 30 years later I still can't figure that out...
Yes. PSM Fallon's french voice was the best. ES Fallon's french voice for Dynasty was ok. Her french voice for The Colbys was annoying. At least, it was a good pick : it was perfect for the way they wrote her in The Colbys.
Anyway, Emma Samms had the same french voice than PSM in one episode. Just for one episode. The very first episode she appears, in a flashback from Jeff's memory.
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I'm not sure about the details of how they hire voice actors for dubbing, but if they were to follow the story points, the voice artist for Alexis should remain the same. If this were real life, Alexis's face would change but her voice ought to stay the same; there was no permanent damage to her vocal cords in the fire. As for Cristal, keeping the same voice artist even as they recast the role would provide some continuity. But if they had kept Celia's voice artist when they brought in "the real Cristal", then THAT would have been weird since the plotline dictated this was a new character.
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I don´t know about other countries, but that is the norm in Spain. Elaine has not debuted here, of course, but I´m sure the same actress who dubbed Nicollette will dub her (it´s also Sharon Stone´s voice here, go figure!). In theory they should do the same with both Cristals, though the channels usually are the ones who have the last word (especially Disney or Netflix, which are both neurotic!).
I think that keeping the voices is the logical thing to do. Even in not so logical plots lol
Anyway, one months before Dynasty comes back. It feels very long.
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I know I'm not allowed to mention any other episodes in the episode discussion but like Dynasty I don't have an awful lot to say so I'm going to cram everything into one review.
And speaking of speaking, there's a lot of name-dropping and pop culture references going on.
Fallon acts out a Lifetime movie when she visits Blake in jail, she's Cyrano de Bergerac (but with a better nose) and she's James "The Notebook" Garner (just with better hair). A few scenes later they accidentally recycle The Notebook reference (a missed opportunity, I think). They also do word play and other kinds of catchiness ("party like McCartey") so, basically, Fallon & Sammy Jo - they do it the most - are Karen & Jack from Will & Grace.
And then, finally, the reference that actually matters, the one that made me cheer: Blake says "dammit". That's how it works with Dynasty, if you dig deep and deep and deep enough then eventually you'll find something interesting. Grab it and never let go.
I think it happened in the Thanksgiving episode and nobody showed up but it's Thanksgiving and they all showed up anyway.
It even moves towards a moment of redemption for Adam and Cristal but then she accidentally discovers the true relationship between him and his pretty nurse, Nadia.
Blind Adam, unaware of her discovery, appears to be genuinely smitten by her kind words. I think the effect it has on the narrative is both positive and negative.
It shows Adam's (and original Adam's) insecure and schizophrenic nature but it also suggests that a few kind words could immediately overwrite their newfound vendetta. And this suggests that his anger regarding Blake's new will isn't about the will but simply about the fact that he favours Cristal.
Inheritance and money have no real meaning or power in this Dynasty remake and I think it takes a lot of "soap" out of it.
Adam doesn't like people, it's either intense love or intense hatred.
And now he's very in love with the scheming Nadia. But wait! She's working for Fallon! I didn't see that one coming.
Real-life artist Ashanti is supposed to perform during the opening of La Mirage, but like Elle Dallas aka Courtney Love in EMPIRE a few years earlier, that performance is sabotaged by means of a laced drink and a friendly smile.
The result is a little different because now a new character has the opportunity to show what's she made of, although that Empire episode also did the Lucious/Cookie swapping.
Vanessa true identity is revealed without any spectacular effects, so much for all that plotting and scheming, therefore they need a new angle for Dominique.
It all looks eerily similar to the degradation of Alexis in season 2. Greed replaced with hilarity.
Having said that, there's something sadistically fascinating and bewildering about her scene-making scene during the trial. Skank! Skank! Skank!
Should I laugh or cry? Micheal Michele looked so great as the sinister Dominique - even better than NS Alexis - she did it so naturally. Why oh why does that also have to be destroyed?
Alexis shows up too, and in a pre-insta/pre-twitter era this could have been a nice surprise. She claims to be Alexis Carrington Colby.
My lukewarm response: uhm, okay, if you say so. But it's nice that they can use original Dynasty stuff in random order.
Adam has poisoned Jeff the way it happened in the 1980s, but maybe it's the attack on Liam and the discovery thereof that feels the most similar to that scenario.
The confrontation, including a mini-flashback, looks like classic soap opera.
However, the biggest surprise for me is the effect Blake's threat has on Kirby. "Everybody wants you gone". There's something about it that makes her look more interesting and valuable (even if she isn't).
And she is going, but her destination has written Big Trouble all over it.
And speaking of speaking, there's a lot of name-dropping and pop culture references going on.
Fallon acts out a Lifetime movie when she visits Blake in jail, she's Cyrano de Bergerac (but with a better nose) and she's James "The Notebook" Garner (just with better hair). A few scenes later they accidentally recycle The Notebook reference (a missed opportunity, I think). They also do word play and other kinds of catchiness ("party like McCartey") so, basically, Fallon & Sammy Jo - they do it the most - are Karen & Jack from Will & Grace.
And then, finally, the reference that actually matters, the one that made me cheer: Blake says "dammit". That's how it works with Dynasty, if you dig deep and deep and deep enough then eventually you'll find something interesting. Grab it and never let go.
I think it happened in the Thanksgiving episode and nobody showed up but it's Thanksgiving and they all showed up anyway.
It even moves towards a moment of redemption for Adam and Cristal but then she accidentally discovers the true relationship between him and his pretty nurse, Nadia.
Blind Adam, unaware of her discovery, appears to be genuinely smitten by her kind words. I think the effect it has on the narrative is both positive and negative.
It shows Adam's (and original Adam's) insecure and schizophrenic nature but it also suggests that a few kind words could immediately overwrite their newfound vendetta. And this suggests that his anger regarding Blake's new will isn't about the will but simply about the fact that he favours Cristal.
Inheritance and money have no real meaning or power in this Dynasty remake and I think it takes a lot of "soap" out of it.
Adam doesn't like people, it's either intense love or intense hatred.
And now he's very in love with the scheming Nadia. But wait! She's working for Fallon! I didn't see that one coming.
Real-life artist Ashanti is supposed to perform during the opening of La Mirage, but like Elle Dallas aka Courtney Love in EMPIRE a few years earlier, that performance is sabotaged by means of a laced drink and a friendly smile.
The result is a little different because now a new character has the opportunity to show what's she made of, although that Empire episode also did the Lucious/Cookie swapping.
Vanessa true identity is revealed without any spectacular effects, so much for all that plotting and scheming, therefore they need a new angle for Dominique.
It all looks eerily similar to the degradation of Alexis in season 2. Greed replaced with hilarity.
Having said that, there's something sadistically fascinating and bewildering about her scene-making scene during the trial. Skank! Skank! Skank!
Should I laugh or cry? Micheal Michele looked so great as the sinister Dominique - even better than NS Alexis - she did it so naturally. Why oh why does that also have to be destroyed?
Alexis shows up too, and in a pre-insta/pre-twitter era this could have been a nice surprise. She claims to be Alexis Carrington Colby.
My lukewarm response: uhm, okay, if you say so. But it's nice that they can use original Dynasty stuff in random order.
Adam has poisoned Jeff the way it happened in the 1980s, but maybe it's the attack on Liam and the discovery thereof that feels the most similar to that scenario.
The confrontation, including a mini-flashback, looks like classic soap opera.
However, the biggest surprise for me is the effect Blake's threat has on Kirby. "Everybody wants you gone". There's something about it that makes her look more interesting and valuable (even if she isn't).
And she is going, but her destination has written Big Trouble all over it.
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That's so weird, I just made the same comparison on your Empire thread. What a tellytalk crossover!
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I honestly think this was a great "twist" in the sense that it didn't feel like a lot of those post-Scandal plot twists where they play a "gotcha" card, but felt like a very classic soap type of reveal.
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And the staged argument between Cristal, Nadia and "Blake" was funny but - for once - not in a stupid way. Initially I didn't know what was going on, it all sounded very exciting, and only then I realized that Nadia's phonecall had been a fake and was meant to lure Adam to that part of the house.