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<blockquote data-quote="Snarky Oracle!" data-source="post: 382643" data-attributes="member: 57984">But they believe in you. And that&#039;s what matters.All of which sounds completely rational. And, yes, there are fakers as well as the wanna-believers.It makes no sense to me, either.I had no interest in it, nor did I believe in it, when it found me a few weeks before I turned 15 literally. And that is a long, long time ago.It was like I was assigned to it, almost reluctantly. And one of the earlier revelations to me was how physical and attitudinal Rising Sign (based on birth time) was, such that you can often show it to a &quot;layman&quot; through celebrities seem-alikes they&#039;ve already noticed in a separated-at-birth way.I was so tuned in to it so quickly, I was able, still a teen, to guess -- with great confidence -- during &quot;Who Shot JR?&quot; in 1980 what Larry&#039;s and Linda&#039;s and Mary&#039;s rising signs were. Even though it would be at least 25 more years before I got supportable birth time on any of them... And I was right in each case, with all three of them.It may sound I&#039;m bragging (delusionally of otherwise) but it&#039;s a reflection of how detectable these things can be to the Average Joe. Especially Rising Sign (also known as &quot;the ascendant&quot;). In fact, if you were to hold a good Astro101 class, you&#039;d start with the Rising sign.&nbsp; The problem is (which I discovered at 15) is that nearly all the astrologers -- be they scammers or misguided believers -- are wrong. They incessantly applied zodiacal cliches to the signs, project those cliches that aren&#039;t really true (which I never did, on instinct), and then heap bizarre complexity on top of that that cannot possibly be navigated.I also figured almost immediately that I couldn&#039;t detect any patterns as demonstrated by the positions of outer planets -- they may have a generational effect perhaps, but any impact on individual personality wasn&#039;t something I could detect. But the Sun, Moon and Rising -- the Rising in particular -- were pointed and even pronounced... I&#039;ve had friends who&#039;ve asked me if someone they knew or knew of (an acquaintance or a celebrity) &quot;has the same Rising sign&quot; as another celebrity, and quite often, they do.The masses can see it. And do see it. They just don&#039;t realize what it is.And to most people (including me, even today) saying &quot;it&#039;s in the stars, baby!&quot; just sounds silly. Which is why people tend to say that I &quot;don&#039;t seem the type&quot; to be &quot;into astrology.&quot; Because I&#039;m not really the type. Because it has little to do with me.But people can be taught, and taught by specific examples.Let me start with one I was thinking about a few days ago while watching THE BAD SEED (1956) again. For those interested in such specific examples, go watch that movie. Look at the actress who plays the mother, Nancy Kelly. Look at her, listen to her... Does she even vaguely remind you of a super-famous silent era diva who also did some sound films later??Which one? Make your own guess. And if you can&#039;t see it -- or you took the tl;dr shortcut -- then, well, just never mind.<img src="https://i.pinimg.com/736x/27/0f/61/270f61d376270c8bae563421d7440b43.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarky Oracle!, post: 382643, member: 57984"] But they believe in [B]you[/B]. And that's what matters. All of which sounds completely rational. And, yes, there are fakers as well as the wanna-believers. It makes no sense to me, either. I had no interest in it, nor did I believe in it, when it found [B]me [/B]a few weeks before I turned 15 literally. And that is a long, long time ago. It was like I was assigned to it, almost reluctantly. And one of the earlier revelations to me was how physical and attitudinal Rising Sign (based on birth time) was, such that you can often show it to a "layman" through celebrities seem-alikes they've already noticed in a separated-at-birth way. I was so tuned in to it so quickly, I was able, still a teen, to guess -- with great confidence -- during "Who Shot JR?" in 1980 what Larry's and Linda's and Mary's rising signs were. Even though it would be at least 25 more years before I got supportable birth time on any of them... And I was right in each case, with a[B]ll three[/B] of them. It may sound I'm bragging (delusionally of otherwise) but it's a reflection of how detectable these things can be to the Average Joe. Especially Rising Sign (also known as "the ascendant"). In fact, if you were to hold a [B]good [/B]Astro101 class, you'd start with the Rising sign. The problem is (which I discovered at 15) is that nearly all the astrologers -- be they scammers or misguided believers -- are wrong. They incessantly applied zodiacal cliches to the signs, project those cliches that aren't really true (which I never did, on instinct), and then heap bizarre complexity on top of that that cannot possibly be navigated. I also figured almost immediately that I couldn't detect any patterns as demonstrated by the positions of outer planets -- they may have a generational effect perhaps, but any impact on individual personality wasn't something I could detect. But the Sun, Moon and Rising -- the Rising in particular -- were pointed and even pronounced... I've had friends who've asked me if someone they knew or knew of (an acquaintance or a celebrity) "has the same Rising sign" as another celebrity, and quite often, they do. The masses can see it. And do see it. They just don't realize what it is. And to most people (including me, even today) saying "it's in the stars, baby!" just sounds silly. Which is why people tend to say that I "don't seem the type" to be "into astrology." Because I'm not really the type. Because it has little to do with me. But people can be taught, and taught by specific examples. Let me start with one I was thinking about a few days ago while watching THE BAD SEED (1956) again. For those interested in such specific examples, go watch that movie. Look at the actress who plays the mother, Nancy Kelly. Look at her, listen to her... Does she even vaguely remind you of a super-famous silent era diva who also did some sound films later?? Which one? Make your own guess. And if you can't see it -- or you took the tl;dr shortcut -- then, well, just never mind. [IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/27/0f/61/270f61d376270c8bae563421d7440b43.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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