Trump Enters the US in War with Iran

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That's a good point. Although, Trump is trying to make it look noble, too.
Yes, but with limited success. He just can't put up the facade for very long. He usually defaults to his "I'll blow you off the face of the Earth if you don't comply" schtick.

All of Trump's remarks towards Iran make him come across as the instigator, rather than someone forced into this situation who's looking for a diplomatic way out.
 
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Trump said he isn't bothered by Americans' financial situation when it comes to Iran, which is reminiscent of a similar sentiment Biden made at the height of the Ukraine War.

Their concern for the American people goes out the window once they leave the campaign trail for the oval office because the military industrial complex is always in control.

 
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I saw this last night just before I went to bed. Unfortunately.

I hate Bill Maher. He's arrogant and selectively ignorant.

This segment is usually supposed to be "funny":

 

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I saw this last night just before I went to bed. Unfortunately.

I hate Bill Maher. He's arrogant and selectively ignorant.

This segment is usually supposed to be "funny":

Maher has been on this kick for a while. He's such a hypocrite. He's spent years screaming at the left for being intolerant of others' views, but here he is telling us that any criticism of Israel equals antisemitism.
 

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He's spent years screaming at the left for being intolerant of others' views, but here he is telling us that any criticism of Israel equals antisemitism.

Well, he was right about the first part.

But the mainstream media in the States, by decree, only permits criticism of Israel's policies (and its seven wars) to be labeled "antisemitism." And to hear Maher's endless "I'm-cuttin-through-the-bullsh!t!" attitude applied to the genocide (he pretends isn't happening) drives me into a distraction.

Last night, I was surprised to hear parts of his usual, clapping seal audience fall silent at his speech. So perhaps some of the public may be waking up. Maybe their warranted fear of Data Centers is shaking them into consciousness.

It doesn't help that he always interviews himself (much like Piers Morgan). I was watching Bill Maher's Club Random podcast (he has many good guests, but I can't usually sit through his doing all the talking -- which is reflected in the comments section, but is a point clearly ignored) a few months ago, and Henry Winkler, a laid back guy who's nothing like The Fonz, sat there for an hour with Bill doing all the talking, as per normal. At one point, Winkler had the temerity to attempt to start and finish a single sentence, and Bill sat forward and said, "Don't interrupt me...!" like a child... Crickets ... Winkler returned to not saying anything, and Bill went on interviewing himself for the remaining hour of the show.

The guests are just props.

But then Bill Maher is just another tool of the establishment, winning over conservatives and unindoctrinated liberals who appreciate his "candor" about Woke absurdities and the fact the Biden was demonstrably demented when the DNC was pretending otherwise -- only for Maher to justify all the wars, ignore the control of our government by a power-mad foreign entity, and everything else the establishment wants. Maher pretending he's being a 'rebel' while he does so.

Bill doesn't listen. And never has a Real Time guest back on the show when they turn out to be smarter (and more honest) than he is.

He's contemptible. For numerous reasons. I wish he'd get graped by an IDF soldier, on video, and then have all the western media act like it never even happened.

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Well, he was right about the first part.

But the mainstream media in the States, by decree, only permits criticism of Israel's policies (and its seven wars) to be labeled "antisemitism." And to hear Maher's endless "I'm-cuttin-through-the-bullsh!t!" attitude applied to the genocide (he pretends isn't happening) drives me into a distraction.

Last night, I was surprised to hear parts of his usual, clapping seal audience fall silent at his speech. So perhaps some of the public may be waking up. Maybe their warranted fear of Data Centers is shaking them into consciousness.

It doesn't help that he always interviews himself (much like Piers Morgan). I was watching Bill Maher's Club Random podcast (he has many good guests, but I can't usually sit through his doing all the talking -- which is reflected in the comments section, but is a point clearly ignored) a few months ago, and Henry Winkler, a laid back guy who's nothing like The Fonz, sat there for an hour with Bill doing all the talking, as per normal. At one point, Winkler had the temerity to attempt to start and finish a single sentence, and Bill sat forward and said, "Don't interrupt me...!" like a child... Crickets ... Winkler returned to not saying anything, and Bill went on interviewing himself for the remaining hour of the show.

The guests are just props.

But then Bill Maher is just another tool of the establishment, winning over conservatives and unindoctrinated liberals who appreciate his "candor" about Woke absurdities and the fact the Biden was demonstrably demented when the DNC was pretending otherwise -- only for Maher to justify all the wars, ignore the control of our government by a power-mad foreign entity, and everything else the establishment wants. Maher pretending he's being a 'rebel' while he does so.

Bill doesn't listen. And never has a Real Time guest back on the show when they turn out to be smarter (and more honest) than he is.

He's contemptible. For numerous reasons. I wish he'd get graped by an IDF soldier, on video, and then have all the western media act like it never even happened.

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The term "smugnorant" was coined for people like Bill Maher, but I think he'd take it as a compliment. Just recently, he did a segment where he talked about how he was proud of his ignorance when it comes to not knowing what the overton window is. Then again, maybe he knows what it means and he realizes his Zionist views are far outside of it.

He also mocked Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore for taking him to task over his lack of knowledge of the world economic forum (WEF) and MK Ultra (the program in which the CIA used mind control techniques on people without their consent.) Maher seemed unconcerned with having a deep knowledge of various political terms and issues, despite hosting a political show. It's funny how Maher presents himself as the most politically aware person in the room on both Real Time and Club Randon while also refusing to expand his political knowledge base. His guests truly are props, which is why I don't know why anybody would go on there at this point. It's a format best suited for sycophants.
 
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That's a distinction that is being argued endlessly in Australia, too. An official definition of antisemitism seems to remain elusive.
It's amazing that people fall for it too. It would be like saying criticizing the American government or the American President meant you were prejudiced against all Americans.

It's so asinine, but it shows just how desperate the elites are to protect Israel at all costs. Thankfully, there are many Jews with a conscience who see through the bullshit.
 
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In the UK and parts of Europe, from what I've heard, if you post anything against Israeli policy, trouble looms.
That's basically what I've heard as well. It can still get you censored on some sites in the US, but at least there are no legality issues (yet.)

However, what's troubling is that AIPAC helped elect many of Trump's "MAGA" candidates, which are all just Israel loyalists. So who knows what that will bring in the future.

The anti-war conservatives bailed on MAGA awhile back after realizing it was a scam to do Israel's bidding, which always means more war. The irony is that they're being referred to as "the woke right," but what's more woke than giving someone a victim complex and feeling like you have to fight all their battles? MAGA is great at projection.
 
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In the UK and parts of Europe, from what I've heard, if you post anything against Israeli policy, trouble looms.
It hasn't stopped me using my social media platforms to criticise the apartheid state of Israel for carrying out a genocide in Gaza. None of my posts are censored or deleted.

However, your wider point is true that the authorities are more concerned about people pointing out Israel's war crimes than they are about that rogue state slaughtering innocent men, women, children and babies.
 

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From the bit of research I've done, it seems the UK's always been stricter with their laws regarding speech than the US.

My understanding is that criticizing Israeli foreign policy isn't unlawful unless they claim it crosses the line into antisemitism. Then it falls under their anti "hate speech" law. With the definition of antisemitism being elusive these days, I can see how that's problematic. They've also arrested protestors and denied entry to critics of Israel from the US.
 
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From the bit of research I've done, it seems the UK's always been stricter with their laws regarding speech than the US.

My understanding is that criticizing Israeli foreign policy isn't unlawful unless they claim it crosses the line into antisemitism. Then it falls under their anti "hate speech" law. With the definition of antisemitism being elusive these days, I can see how that's problematic. They've also arrested protestors and denied entry to critics of Israel from the US.
The only Jewish leader of a major political party in the UK is Zack Polanski of the Green Party and he is a vocal critic of Israel's genocide of the Palestinians. He is regularly criticised by non-Jews of being antisemitic. It's a age old tactic of apologists of the Israeli government to shut down any criticism of their support for war crimes.
 

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The only Jewish leader of a major political party in the UK is Zack Polanski of the Green Party and he is a vocal critic of Israel's genocide of the Palestinians. He is regularly criticised by non-Jews of being antisemitic. It's a age old tactic of apologists of the Israeli government to shut down any criticism of their support for war crimes.
Bernie Sanders gets the same treatment in the US whenever he speaks out against the genocide or votes against war funding for Israel.

The genocide in Gaza has been eye opening for many people, and the war in Iran is the cherry on top. That's why these faux cries of antisemitism don't land like they used to.
 

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Does Bernie not vote for funding the wars?
Inconsistently. He voted for the Afghanistan and Ukraine wars, but he voted against foreign aid packages in 2023 and 2024 that included military funding for Israel.

His foreign policy record is far from perfect, but with the pack of mutants we have on both sides of the aisle in Washington D.C., his record's the least cozy towards Israel. In 2024, he cast the sole Democratic caucus vote against a $14 billion unconditional military aid bill for Israel. This, along with his public condemnation of Netanyahu's extremist government and the humanitarian crisis they're inflicting in Gaza, has led to faux accusations of antisemitism from staunch Israel supporters. The irony is many of them are not even Jewish (unlike Sanders). Of course, Bernie being Bernie, he still pulls his punches and says "Israel has a right to defend itself" while also admitting a genocide isn't defense.
 
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