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<blockquote data-quote="Daniel Avery" data-source="post: 282939" data-attributes="member: 27"><p>Actually, Hannah referred to having moved in "a few months ago" in the way all soap characters use this term when the writers do not want to pin down the passage of "real" time. Yes, "a few" can be defined as a measured amount, but in TV dialogue it's purposely vague. Similarly, soap characters will use "it happened so long ago" or "it was a while back" rather than pinpointing a date for obvious reasons. After watching them tiptoe around dates and time-passage issues for the entire series, I was not surprised she could not come up with an exact date. If someone<em> crashed their car into my house</em> (which was the reason Hannah needed a place to live), the date of such an event would be burned into my mind, but then such stuff happened to her so regularly that she might not remember it as readily.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of Miss Hannah, I keep hearing people characterize her as having lost her mind in the final moments, that she was insane or something. Yes, it was an ugly-cry for the ages, but I just thought she was incredibly upset, what with having seen Candace dead and having to kill Jim or be killed. I thought she was just sobbing and devastated, not "snapped". Heck, all that stuff had happened at the mansion and she didn't even know that Benny and Katheryn were also dead. But if she is indeed just momentarily overwhelmed and will recover, she obviously ends up not only with the fortune but a grandchild to watch grow up as consolation prizes.</p><p></p><p>I recall when TP announced that season eight would be the last, it was stated as if he had chosen to end it--that between his new deal with Viacom/BET and his other enterprises (films, etc.) he thought it was time to end HAHN. I didn't think it was "cancelled," per se, since I'm sure OWN would love to have their highest-rated show as long as TP was willing to provide it. Whatever the case, I thought at the time (when they said there would be an eight-episode, final season) that it would be awesome if they adopted a sort of "Shakespearean tragedy" closing, where so many of his plays ended with virtually all the characters ending up dead. HAHN was spawned by a play TP wrote, so ending the series in the manner of a Shakespearean tragedy would make some sense. Don't get me wrong--I am NOT comparing this to Shakespeare! I simply thought it would be appropriate, since it's the kind of stuff only TP would have the nerve to do. But it might be a situation of "Be careful what you wish for". In this very thread, I tried my hand at killing everybody off (post #220) and though I would not have expected to predict what we just saw happen, there are some parallels. </p><p></p><p>Funny how even back in January we were all in agreement that TP would screw this up. The source of this dissatisfaction, I think, is how they took eight already-written and filmed episodes, then tried to edit a limited amount of additional material (new scenes) into them to wrap things up. I cannot come up with any other explanation for why these episodes (even up to the seventh) were so leisurely and casual, and everything was so amped up and insane in the final episode. In the seventh episode the front of Hannah's townhouse was sprayed with bullets. In the next episode, Hannah and Candace had that major final scene together on the front steps without a single bullet hole or stray mark on the front of the house, and the glass in the windows intact. The anti-climactic way Veronica was shot outside her house, without the viewer even getting to see her reacting to finally getting her comeuppance, gives the idea that the scene was filmed previously to be used as a fake-out with Laura actually being killed by accident. But of course Laura and her hottie husband were not even mentioned or seen. Actually, many characters were left unseen and their stories not wrapped up, which tells me their scenes had to be edited out to make room for the "new material", or their stories were going to be carried over into the hypothetical ninth season. For example, we never learned if Colby lived or died after getting beaten up in the fifth or sixth episode. It's unfortunate that TP could not have simply tossed out the (completed) final four or five episodes and gotten the cast back together to film a better-planned series-ending plot arc. Kill them all off in more measured units, not all in one episode, and take time to tie up various loose ends that had been ignored for so long. Perhaps the actors simply were not available. Maybe the facilities (sets, studio space) were already being used for other projects. Whatever the case, I really, really wish they had done more to re-fashion these final episodes into a proper series finale, because it just feels....slapped together.</p><p></p><p>There will be a two-part "cast reunion" special airing in their regular time slot next Tuesday, so I'm hoping some questions will be answered about why the show ended in such a thoughtless manner. It's not assured, though---it might just be a "favorite scenes"/"who's your favorite character" type event where the audience doesn't ask any hard questions. From the look of the clips in the commercial, it had already been taped before the final episode aired, so no one would likely stand up and say "What the hell was THAT???" <img src="http://www.hazelnet.org/icon/emote/yikes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eck:" title="eck :eck:" data-shortname=":eck:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Daniel Avery, post: 282939, member: 27"] Actually, Hannah referred to having moved in "a few months ago" in the way all soap characters use this term when the writers do not want to pin down the passage of "real" time. Yes, "a few" can be defined as a measured amount, but in TV dialogue it's purposely vague. Similarly, soap characters will use "it happened so long ago" or "it was a while back" rather than pinpointing a date for obvious reasons. After watching them tiptoe around dates and time-passage issues for the entire series, I was not surprised she could not come up with an exact date. If someone[I] crashed their car into my house[/I] (which was the reason Hannah needed a place to live), the date of such an event would be burned into my mind, but then such stuff happened to her so regularly that she might not remember it as readily. Speaking of Miss Hannah, I keep hearing people characterize her as having lost her mind in the final moments, that she was insane or something. Yes, it was an ugly-cry for the ages, but I just thought she was incredibly upset, what with having seen Candace dead and having to kill Jim or be killed. I thought she was just sobbing and devastated, not "snapped". Heck, all that stuff had happened at the mansion and she didn't even know that Benny and Katheryn were also dead. But if she is indeed just momentarily overwhelmed and will recover, she obviously ends up not only with the fortune but a grandchild to watch grow up as consolation prizes. I recall when TP announced that season eight would be the last, it was stated as if he had chosen to end it--that between his new deal with Viacom/BET and his other enterprises (films, etc.) he thought it was time to end HAHN. I didn't think it was "cancelled," per se, since I'm sure OWN would love to have their highest-rated show as long as TP was willing to provide it. Whatever the case, I thought at the time (when they said there would be an eight-episode, final season) that it would be awesome if they adopted a sort of "Shakespearean tragedy" closing, where so many of his plays ended with virtually all the characters ending up dead. HAHN was spawned by a play TP wrote, so ending the series in the manner of a Shakespearean tragedy would make some sense. Don't get me wrong--I am NOT comparing this to Shakespeare! I simply thought it would be appropriate, since it's the kind of stuff only TP would have the nerve to do. But it might be a situation of "Be careful what you wish for". In this very thread, I tried my hand at killing everybody off (post #220) and though I would not have expected to predict what we just saw happen, there are some parallels. Funny how even back in January we were all in agreement that TP would screw this up. The source of this dissatisfaction, I think, is how they took eight already-written and filmed episodes, then tried to edit a limited amount of additional material (new scenes) into them to wrap things up. I cannot come up with any other explanation for why these episodes (even up to the seventh) were so leisurely and casual, and everything was so amped up and insane in the final episode. In the seventh episode the front of Hannah's townhouse was sprayed with bullets. In the next episode, Hannah and Candace had that major final scene together on the front steps without a single bullet hole or stray mark on the front of the house, and the glass in the windows intact. The anti-climactic way Veronica was shot outside her house, without the viewer even getting to see her reacting to finally getting her comeuppance, gives the idea that the scene was filmed previously to be used as a fake-out with Laura actually being killed by accident. But of course Laura and her hottie husband were not even mentioned or seen. Actually, many characters were left unseen and their stories not wrapped up, which tells me their scenes had to be edited out to make room for the "new material", or their stories were going to be carried over into the hypothetical ninth season. For example, we never learned if Colby lived or died after getting beaten up in the fifth or sixth episode. It's unfortunate that TP could not have simply tossed out the (completed) final four or five episodes and gotten the cast back together to film a better-planned series-ending plot arc. Kill them all off in more measured units, not all in one episode, and take time to tie up various loose ends that had been ignored for so long. Perhaps the actors simply were not available. Maybe the facilities (sets, studio space) were already being used for other projects. Whatever the case, I really, really wish they had done more to re-fashion these final episodes into a proper series finale, because it just feels....slapped together. There will be a two-part "cast reunion" special airing in their regular time slot next Tuesday, so I'm hoping some questions will be answered about why the show ended in such a thoughtless manner. It's not assured, though---it might just be a "favorite scenes"/"who's your favorite character" type event where the audience doesn't ask any hard questions. From the look of the clips in the commercial, it had already been taped before the final episode aired, so no one would likely stand up and say "What the hell was THAT???" :eck: [/QUOTE]
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