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Y&R is the only reason some people in the US still watch B&B. This theory has been around for many years, but the proof came when B&B became the first soap to return after Covid and was on air for a few weeks without the support of Y&R. To date, these weeks are B&B's all-time low in viewers. Only when Y&R returned with new episodes did B&B's ratings slowly rise again. I wonder if As the World Turns would still be on the air today if it had remained Y&R's lead-out and if B&B would have survived in Capitol's time slot.
I agree with this, though I would add that the ownership aspect (the Bells being involved financially as well as creatively in B&B) also has a role in the show's survival. In most of broadcast history, the networks interfered with/tinkered with soaps when they experienced slumps, demanding changes in writers, producers, and such. Brad Bell seems immune to such interference, or at least has enough power to ignore them. It wasn't until Bill Bell died that the network and Sony started tinkering with Y&R, with little benefit, and I would guess that Brad Bell has consolidated power over B&B in a way that his father had when he ran Y&R.

Procter and Gamble (owners of ATWT) had decided long before to divest themselves of their soaps, and though I don't subscribe to the belief that they "intentionally" killed their soaps, I can confidently say that they did little to nothing to help them survive. I don't think ATWT would have survived any longer than it did if it had been in the post Y&R timeslot, since both P&G and CBS did not seem willing to support the show (or Guiding Light, for that matter) after about 2005. I'd call their actions between 2005 and 2010 "controlled implosion," where they slowly but surely let the shows drift off of people's radar. I recall ATWT, unlike most soaps, were told of their cancellation something like 18 months before the end, so P&G was definitely playing a long game with their exiting of the soap business.
 

Monzo

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The Daytime Emmys are always good for a surprise. I was convinced that Melissa Claire Egan, Billy Flynn and Alley Mills would be the sure winners, but I was only right about the latter. I never thought that B&B would win both lead actors, I especially saw Thorsten Kaye as the weakest link of the nominees in his category. For me, Jacqueline MacInnes Wood is generally not as strong as everyone thinks, maybe I just don't see how talented she is. For me she's solid, but far from Susan Flannery and Heather Tom.
 

DallasFanForever

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Eric’s current storyline is not exactly something I want to watch around the holidays, although I was surprised to hear how Friday’s episode ended. For the first time I’m interested to see where this goes.

A possible Hunter return?
It’s either that, which I doubt at this point, or yet another recast. The almost 35 year triangle that never seems to end must get dusted off again at some point.
 

DallasFanForever

Telly Talk Supreme
Heck, last Christmas on GH, they killed a baby! At least B&B can have Santa Claus bring Eric a miracle cure.
I have to admit that I’m starting to wonder if John really is leaving the show and the new contract was possibly a false report to dupe everyone. I’m still leaning towards the “miracle cure” scenario since it is the holidays and what little is left of our intelligence and patience has to be tested but considering what happened Friday I’m starting to wonder if John is winding things down perhaps.
 

Monzo

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From what I've read, more fans are uncomfortable with Eric's storyline than usual with B&B stories. Some claim that they can't stop crying for weeks when they watch B&B, others are reminded too much of sad situations from their own lives and no longer have the escape feeling, which is why they watch soaps.

In addition to the incredible plot holes mentioned, it always bothers me when a character of a certain age is presumed dead or is on his deathbed and then survives. The actor could actually be gone in six months and then the soap has to tell the same story again.
 
I'd forgive them the whole thing if Eric had a near-death experience and got to visit with Stephanie for an episode or two. A guest spot from Susan Flannery would be a wonderful Christmas present. She'd tell him he needs to go back to complete his unfinished business, such as finding out where Kristen and Felicia are.
 

Monzo

Telly Talk Enthusiast
Here's what Soap Opera Digest thinks was the best and worst on B&B in 2023:

Best Family Expansion: The Finnegan/Nozawas​
Most Fun While It Lasted: Brooke and Taylor’s Friendship
Most Shocking Twist: Hope Sleeps With Thomas
Most Preposterous Story: Bill and Sheila’s
Most Negleted Family: The Spencers
Worst Reunion: Brooke and Ridge
 

Emelee

Telly Talk Warrior
My best & worst of B&B:

Best reunion: Steffy & Finn

Worst reunion: Brooke & Ridge

Best hook up: Hope & Thomas

Worst hook up: Bill & Sheila

Sexiest couple: Deacon & Sheila

Best storyline: Hope & Thomas

Worst storyline: Eric's unnamed illogical illness and miracle save

Dumbest thing: Eric's grandson-in-law and daughter operating on him

Dumbest thing II: Kristen, Felicia & Rick were on a safari and could not be reached for weeks, and still have not showed up to see their father.

Best comeback: Winsor Harmon as Thorne Forrester (if only for a handful of episodes)

Worst departure: Firing Emmy nominated Krista Allen (Taylor) because the writers feel that "Taylor is not needed on the show anymore"

Best use of old flashbacks: Making it look like Stephanie came to visit Eric when he temporarily crossed over to the other side.

Worst use of old flashbacks: Almost all other flashbacks, because we can remember what happened only a couple of episodes ago!

Overall grade for 2023: E--
 

Emelee

Telly Talk Warrior
From what little I watched of the show this year, this has to be up there but I’d definitely lean towards Eric’s miracle Christmas cure storyline. When Brooke is reading from the Bible I’m having a hard time keeping a straight face, I’m sorry.

B&B has been a complete mess in 2023.

Saving Sheila from prison & saving Eric from death has brought some awfully stupid twists and unrealistic writing.

Sheila was about to be sent to prison for many years for attempted murder. But that was not enough for Bill & Ridge. They GUESSED that Sheila had murdered someone in the past. And that she would confess to it under certain circumstances. They had nothing but guesses. So they blackmailed Steffy, Finn, Li & Taylor, making sure none of them testified against Sheila. They made sure Sheila went free from attempted murder of Steffy, Finn and Li. Then they contacted an FBI guy to set up hidden cameras and Bill figured he'd take advantage of Sheila to get her to confess. Sex and a proposal. They were lucky that Sheila actually had killed a guy 20 years ago and confessed. Bill & Ridge forced Deacon to betray Sheila. But wait, the judge had a past with Deacon and owed him a favor. So the judge threw out the murder case and set Sheila free. Now getting NO prison time at all for killing Lance, trying to kill Steffy & Li and accidentally shooting Finn and leaving them for dead.

Had Bill & Ridge just simply stayed out of it, Sheila would have at least gotten many years in prison.

As if the laws even work like this....... So stupid.



But Eric's story was even more braindead.

He starts feeling ill but refuses to seek more medical help. Only house calls to check the basics. But even though he had no major tests done at a hospital, they gave him a diagnosis. But viewers never found out what illness it was. Just that it's fatal and that there is no known cure anywhere. Suddenly we hear that several oncologists (cancer doctors) have looked into the case, and come to the same conclusion. No cure, Eric now has weeks left at best. So Eric has some kind of cancer, okay. But one that can't be cured according to the experts.

But wait! Finn spends a couple of days by his computer, and suddenly there IS a possible cure afterall. One that he found, that none of the cancer experts had ever heard of.

Meanwhile, Ridge dictates who can and who can't be informed about Eric's condition. Apparently, everyone except his nephew Zende are okay to tell. Unfortunately, Ridge can't tell siblings Kristen, Felicia and Rick because they're on a long safari trip together and absolutely can't be reached on their phones for many days.

Then Eric collapses and Finn tells the family of the highly experimental treatment that he, not the experts, found. So Finn & Bridget rushes Eric to surgery to operate on him for this still unnamed illness. Nevermind that none of them are surgeons, or that Bridget is operating on her own father and Finn on his wife's grandfather. There are apparently no available surgeons in Los Angeles that can operate on Eric.

We still don't know what they did during the operation. We don't know what illness it was. And we don't know what is so experimental about the treatment. There was only an operation and then lots of rest. Finn talked about a transplant, immunotherapy and other treatments. But there's no way the needed organ became available for Eric just hours after he was brought in and MINUTES after Ridge said ok to the treatment. Organs don't grow on trees. And there's no way an 80 year old half dead ill man would be placed 1st on the list.

And now Eric was saved. By Finn -- who was braindead a year ago.

B&B is now Days Of Our Lives realistic.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
B&B has been a complete mess in 2023.
I'm puzzled why people keep watching soaps. I would have thought that horrid pseudo-reality nonsense which viewers are now obsessed with would have killed off the last remaining soaps. I cannot recall when I last checked in to watch a little bit of B&B but I'm guessing things haven't changed much from the sordid mess I last witnessed.
 

DallasFanForever

Telly Talk Supreme
I cannot recall when I last checked in to watch a little bit of B&B but I'm guessing things haven't changed much from the sordid mess I last witnessed.
I haven’t checked in since around the holidays and the entire Eric miracle fiasco and yes it’s still a sordid mess. But it’s a sordid mess a lot of people still watch apparently so I admire their loyalty.
 

Monzo

Telly Talk Enthusiast
While I still watch the other three US soaps out of genuine interest and wonder how I could be pleasantly surprised, with B&B it's the opposite and maybe that's exactly what makes it so appealing: How bad can it get? What rewrite is next?

Bill, who when he joined the show first wanted to seduce his best friend's (Justin) love of his life (Donna) was apparently a softie before we knew him on the show: totally in love with Liam's mother and also with Poppy. Weird it is.

And the story about Luna. Nobody is allowed to know who her father is and Finn didn't even wonder whether it could be him (or his father Jack) because Poppy lived with teenaged Finn and his family about a year before Luna was born.
 
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Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
But it’s a sordid mess a lot of people still watch apparently so I admire their loyalty.
This use to be the enjoyment of watching soaps...watching a hyper version of our own boring lives...it was called escapism for a reason. But soaps with their never ending rise-from-the-dead-characters or revolving door of recasts has turned me right off them.
 

Monzo

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Steffy did it just like that. A little more drama beforehand would have been nicer. A week ago it was all about Luna's rape, which isn't called rape, and then Sheila suddenly went crazy again and now she's gone.
 

Monzo

Telly Talk Enthusiast
While Y&R was renewed for four seasons, B&B was renewed for just one season. Do you see it as a bad sign or are the negotiations on B&B more difficult than on Y&R?

I wouldn't be extremely sad if B&B was canceled, although it would generally be a shame to lose another daytime soap, as I can't imagine CBS would fill the B&B timeslot with a new (or returning) soap.
 
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