Why has Grey's Anatomy succeeded where 80s soaps failed?

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Thank you, both.

I'm talking mostly creative. But I didn't know the ratings had held up so well. I'm one of the people who stopped watching Grey's and I assumed everyone did, too, when the creator came out with two more shows that seem to get far more attention. It does better than the other two shows. gasp So they're given platform because of Grey's, and not the other way round.

My bad!
 

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Ironically I had the reverse experience: I tried to watch a few episodes of ER and found it too boring.

Tell me about it! I got the first-season DVD release of ER a time back (the repackaged 7-disc single-sided version), and found it incredibly unwatchable as well.
 

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The primetime soaps needed distant/surprise relatives showing up to add some spice and relief from that tired old formula.
Dallas did this by having Jamie Ewing (Jenilee Harrison) sashay up the Southfork drive, while the extended Ewing family were enjoying a brief time of happiness beside the pool. Introducing a new character (out of the blue) can have a surprising effect on already established characters. It can twist the story and family dynamics. And while I did like the idea of another Ewing was added to the mix the casting of Jenilee was a disaster in my opinion. Introducing long lost relatives can work but only if the casting is spot on. My only problem with introducing a new character or family into a soap is suddenly the focus is shifted from our regular characters to the newbies. It's like the writers need to force those characters onto the viewers to quickly establish a rapport, but this often comes across as jarring.
 

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Dallas did this by having Jamie Ewing (Jenilee Harrison) sashay up the Southfork drive, while the extended Ewing family were enjoying a brief time of happiness beside the pool. Introducing a new character (out of the blue) can have a surprising effect on already established characters. It can twist the story and family dynamics. And while I did like the idea of another Ewing was added to the mix the casting of Jenilee was a disaster in my opinion. Introducing long lost relatives can work but only if the casting is spot on. My only problem with introducing a new character or family into a soap is suddenly the focus is shifted from our regular characters to the newbies. It's like the writers need to force those characters onto the viewers to quickly establish a rapport, but this often comes across as jarring.
Oh, boy, you reeeeeeeally mention Jenilee a lot. You must really hate her! :lol:
 

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Dallas did this by having Jamie Ewing (Jenilee Harrison) sashay up the Southfork drive, while the extended Ewing family were enjoying a brief time of happiness beside the pool. Introducing a new character (out of the blue) can have a surprising effect on already established characters. It can twist the story and family dynamics. And while I did like the idea of another Ewing was added to the mix the casting of Jenilee was a disaster in my opinion. Introducing long lost relatives can work but only if the casting is spot on. My only problem with introducing a new character or family into a soap is suddenly the focus is shifted from our regular characters to the newbies. It's like the writers need to force those characters onto the viewers to quickly establish a rapport, but this often comes across as jarring.

It can work maybe once, maybe twice... but beyond that is entering daytime soap territory. At one point you'd just have the original characters go "Oh, another one? Anyone for vodka shots" (Sue Ellen: "Me!!!!")
 

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It can work maybe once, maybe twice... but beyond that is entering daytime soap territory. At one point you'd just have the original characters go "Oh, another one? Anyone for vodka shots" (Sue Ellen: "Me!!!!")
Introducing a long lost brother, sister, son or daughter is stale nowadays. Anytime a series tries this old chestnut is when I pull the plug. Lazy writing in my opinion, as if this scenario hasn't been done a million times. As another poster (Snarky?) rightfully pointed out. When Dallas introduced James Beaumont so late in the series the shock value was not there. Introducing another child of JR's early in the series could have worked a treat, as it would have unbalanced the Ewing household.
 

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Introducing a long lost brother, sister, son or daughter is stale nowadays. Anytime a series tries this old chestnut is when I pull the plug. Lazy writing in my opinion, as if this scenario hasn't been done a million times. As another poster (Snarky?) rightfully pointed out. When Dallas introduced James Beaumont so late in the series the shock value was not there. Introducing another child of JR's early in the series could have worked a treat, as it would have unbalanced the Ewing household.
Complicated by the fact the Sasha Mitchell just didn't fit the show.
 

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More complicated by the fact that he just can't act.
As I said in another thread. I'll say no mean things regarding Sasha since I discovered how huge the guy is. He was wonderful on Step By Step. His abilities in acting fitted the character of Cody brilliantly. ;)
 

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Five years later the thread is still as topical as it was then, but now it could become critical for Grey's Anatomy, since Ellen Pompeo will appear in only 8 episodes next season. When Joan Collins and Jane Wyman stopped appearing consistently on Dynasty and Falcon Crest, both series were canceled, but I think Grey's Anatomy will still go on.
 

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Five years later the thread is still as topical as it was then, but now it could become critical for Grey's Anatomy, since Ellen Pompeo will appear in only 8 episodes next season. When Joan Collins and Jane Wyman stopped appearing consistently on Dynasty and Falcon Crest, both series were canceled, but I think Grey's Anatomy will still go on.
Well, the show's title is a reference to the main character (Meredith Grey), so it'd be a bit odd to continue without her. They're considering a spin-off and re-brand as an alternative though.
 

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This thread about Grey's Anatomy is nine years old now, and even back then it looked like the medical soap was on its last legs, it's still around. Last season GH had six million viewers in total (Live TV, DVR, and streaming), and that still seems to be enough for a renewal, but budget cuts are inevitable. This time, these two actors were affected:


I expected Kim Raver to be let go eventually at some point, but Kevin McKidd's firing is a surprise. I thought he was the third cast member, alongside the two original cast members left, who was practically guaranteed a spot on the show. Firing Owen Hunt feels to me like if Cliff Barnes or Greg Sumner had been let go. Anyway, I often think that what I've seen with Grey's Anatomy in recent years is what Dallas and especially Knots Landing would have been like if they'd run for 20 seasons: a constant stream of new faces that nobody cares about, who then get written out after two or three seasons when they become too expensive, and then they hire new cheap actors, and in between, a veteran gets fired so the show can go on. What I still like about Grey's Anatomy is that you see the whole journey, instead of a cancellation, and then suddenly the show is brought back ten years later, the kids are grown up and now medical students themselves.
 
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I’ve just finished season 22 ahead of the season 23 premiere, and I have to say, it was a relaxing season to watch. I’ve actually been dissatisfied with the quality of Grey’s Anatomy for years, but in season 22, the writers finally managed to stop constantly flaunting the show's wokeness. Woke patients are now simply patients; instead of constantly highlighting how special they are, they’ve become part of the norm—at least within the world of Grey’s Anatomy.

The only spoiler I had going into season 22 was that it would be the last one for Owen and Teddy. I like her significantly more than him, but Owen had been around since season 5—back when Grey’s Anatomy was still must-see TV—so he was an integral part of the show. Out of the 40 actors who have been part of the main cast over the years, quite a few characters have met their end in major dramatic deaths, and naturally, that could have happened to Owen or Teddy, or even both of them. The season finale featured a bridge collapse; Owen was on the bridge, but he didn't suffer any serious harm—instead, he got to play the hero as a doctor once again. Nick was also on the bridge in his car and got injured. Since Scott Speedman now has his own ABC series (R.J. Decker) and has only appeared sporadically over the last two seasons, I wondered if his character might be killed off, but Nick made it through as well. However, there was a major disappointment at the very end. While Owen and Teddy did get the standard montage that departing characters usually receive, there was no actual farewell from anyone—not Meredith, Miranda, or Richard. I’ve actually watched all 682 episodes of Grey’s Anatomy and its two spin-offs to date; even though the Grey’s Anatomy universe launched in 2006, the total episode count still hasn't surpassed that of Dallas and Knots Landing combined.

I often wonder if anyone on the writing team has real expertise regarding the soaps of the 80s and 90s—specifically knowing what went wrong back then and how to avoid those pitfalls with Grey’s Anatomy. They kind of followed the Melrose Place model: constantly introducing new characters whom the audience would gradually grow accustomed to. Unlike Melrose Place, however, Grey’s Anatomy was fortunate enough—likely due to its greater success—never to lose more than two cast members at once. Had there been a mass exodus in a short span of time like there was on Melrose Place, things might have turned out very differently for Grey’s Anatomy.

One thing Grey's Anatomy definitely learned from the big soaps is how to avoid their mistakes when resolving cliffhangers—just look at the plane crash at the end of season 8. The way Lexie and Mark died on-screen was exactly how it should have been done. If Lady Ashley and Luke had died as epically and intensely during the Moldavian Massacre, there wouldn't be any complaints today about there having been only two deaths. It all comes down to portraying the death correctly, and Grey's Anatomy excels at that; George and Derek are further examples.

I always enjoy it when Grey’s Anatomy incorporates details from the past; for instance, in season 22, a female firefighter from Station 19 became a patient, and during her one-episode guest appearance, Addison revealed that Jake—who had become the love of her life on Private Practice—had left her because she is constantly traveling with her mobile abortion clinic to the borders of states where abortion is illegal. The rich history that Grey's Anatomy can now look back on and draw from is certainly interesting.

It is great that ABC hasn't given up on Grey's Anatomy yet and continues to promote the series; for instance, Harry Shum Jr. is currently competing on Dancing with the Stars. It is also nice that Grey's Anatomy has a soft spot for actors from former teen soaps. The O.C.'s Chris Carmack and Glee's Harry Shum Jr. have been part of the cast for years, Felicity's Scott Speedman was a cast member and remains a guest star, and One Tree Hill's Sophia Bush served as an on-and-off love interest for Teddy over the last two seasons.

Stars from 80s soaps, however, receive less prominence on Grey's Anatomy and its spin-offs. While Patrick Duffy, William R. Moses, and Jamie Rose have appeared on the show(s), they did so more as the standard guest actors needed for any given episode. Diahann Carroll was the only one to hold a true guest-starring role, playing Preston's mother.
 

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It can be blessing or a curse. Larry Hagman ended up having too much control over Dallas, and John Forsythe started diluting his character right from the start; and don't get me started on his and Evans' insistence that Blake and Krystle stay together no matter what.
I read that the writers had wanted to bring Blake and Alexis back together but that John Forsythe and Joan Collins did not get along and that he vetoed the idea which is a shame.
 
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