Clinton Blames Sanders for Trump’s ‘Crooked Hillary’ Attack
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Indeed. Hillary plays the victim and makes disingenuous personal attacks, while Bernie fights to makes his once "radical" progressive agenda mainstream.
The only people who actually like Hillary are rich liberal elites and SJWs who identify with her brand of identity politics.
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There were stories about how, after the Clintons left the White House (where they really were assaulted and investigated beyond reason), the duo began to commiserate over why people like Karl Rove always "win". And so they appear to have learned the wrong things, quite cynically -- hinting at Obama being assassinated during the 2008 campaign, buddying up with the Bush crime family, Hillary blaming innocent people like Bernie for her errors (or just bad luck) because doing so works for Trump...
And yet it doesn't really work for the Clintons because all that selling-your-soul-to-the-devil stuff isn't really quite who they are, try as they might.
You can't really use the Evil Persons' Playbook successfully because you have to be a certain level of rotten for it work. And as jadedly pragmatic as the Clintons have become since the '90s, something in them just isn't committed to Satan enough to pull it off.
Her pedo pizzeria notwithstanding. (BTW: try the one with the veal. It's squealingly good!)
And yet it doesn't really work for the Clintons because all that selling-your-soul-to-the-devil stuff isn't really quite who they are, try as they might.
You can't really use the Evil Persons' Playbook successfully because you have to be a certain level of rotten for it work. And as jadedly pragmatic as the Clintons have become since the '90s, something in them just isn't committed to Satan enough to pull it off.
Her pedo pizzeria notwithstanding. (BTW: try the one with the veal. It's squealingly good!)
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I will admit there was a time when Hillary was on the right side of issues such as healthcare reform and bankruptcy laws. Unfortunately, she hasn't put down the "Evil Persons' Playbook" since she picked it up. If she had admitted to being a pragmatist in the past, yet recognized that progressive positions are the future, she probably would have won. Instead, she said Bernie's positions would never happen while making condescending remarks about his supporters. That exacerbated her reputation as an elitist, and not addressing the economic concerns of the working class showed her hubris. She thought she could win without them. As Chuck Schumer put it, they would pick up two moderate Republicans for every blue collar Democrat they lost. That plan was a failure, but Hillary was enabled by fellow elitist Dems who supported her strategy of ignoring the working class.
The attitude of Dems like Schumer and Clinton is why there's a civil war in the Democratic Party. The Sanders side is courting progressives, while the Clinton side is more interested in support from moderate Republicans than blue collar Democrats. Of course, that's because the moderates are the ones who've become buddies with the corporations and Wall Street. Still, Schumer has shown his pragmatism by releasing the Democrats' "Better Deal" economic agenda. I guess he realized that when you get beat by an orange bag of gas, you have to rethink your priorities. Surprisingly, the usually pragmatic Hillary doesn't seem to be doing that. She wants to rehash 2016 by attacking Sanders and calling his supporters sexist, but that does nothing to move things forward. And she wants us to believe that Sanders both stole her ideas and was too far left at the same time!
Her image was repairable, but she keeps making disingenuous personal attacks. She asks in her book why she's a "lightning rod for fury," before concluding "I think it's partly because I'm a woman."
It's all just a never ending cycle of her victim hood.
She has endured some bogus investigations and phony scandals, I'll give her that. The pedo pizzeria thing being one of the more nonsensical and ridiculous.
Unfortunately, her defenders in the media have taken to using Trump's term "alt-left" to describe her progressive critics. They claim that her progressive detractors are using right wing attacks against her, even though the criticisms are night and day. Right wingers rely on ridiculous conspiracies such as Benghazi and a pizzeria pedo ring. Progressives criticize her record and her shitting on Bernie and his supporters. Apples and oranges.
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I'm glad she's speaking out and cashing in on it, too. As flawed as she may be, it's the extravagant vitriol directed at Hillary Clinton that is disgusting.
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Cenk is spot on. The basket of deplorables comment never bothered me because it's true. Hillary even made it a point to distinguish between the racists, sexists, and xenophobes, and those who felt the government didn't have their economic interests at heart. It was an impressive moment of clarity. You're never going to win over the deplorables, so you have to appeal to the working class. So imagine my surprise when she didn't campaign in the swing states, while Chuck Schumer claimed they would pick up two moderate Republicans for every blue collar Democrat they lost. So much for Hillary's recognition of the economically disenfranchised.
Cenk's also right in pointing out that she didn't understand their anger. The fact that she told Wall Street bankers that she wanted to put them in charge of the economy proves that. These are important lessons to learn going in to 2020. Trump is a monster like Cenk said, but establishment politicians are not the answer. Dems need to stop supporting policies like the TPP and a healthcare plan that left 29 million people uninsured.
Cashing in on lies, supporting wars, and placing the interests of her donors above the American people is disgusting to me, but to each their own.
I'll stick with the politician who's continuing to push the Democrats towards the left and away from the death knell that is neoliberalism.
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There was disgusting vitriol directed at Obama, too, for 8 years. Hillary has certainly received her share of it, but it's not because she's a woman -- it's because she was the frontrunner candidate for the Democrats.
None of that, however, excuses her excuses in this book.
Yes, her "deplorables" comment during the campaign was absolutely true, and she didn't lose any votes over it because the people who were incensed about it were never going to vote for her anyway -- Jane Pauley's just convinced that the election was lost over it because the mainstream media thinks you're never supposed to say anything truthful about any of "the people" ever... And while I'm not someone who feels Hillary should dump all the blame on herself necessarily, her version of "what happened" in this book is essentially a lie.
A big, flaming, stinking lie.
And she's further hurting her legacy, whatever there is of it, by continuing to be so opaque, blaming Sanders and others who had little or nothing to do with her loss.
And let us not forget: she won the popular vote by a significant 3 million ballots. So if she wants to lie a wee bit more cleverly, she should be claiming her well-publicized near-collapse in public a couple of weeks before the election had been the result of a bug which had prevented her from visiting those all-important swing states which threw the electoral college to that orange gas bag. (Or does she?)
None of that, however, excuses her excuses in this book.
Yes, her "deplorables" comment during the campaign was absolutely true, and she didn't lose any votes over it because the people who were incensed about it were never going to vote for her anyway -- Jane Pauley's just convinced that the election was lost over it because the mainstream media thinks you're never supposed to say anything truthful about any of "the people" ever... And while I'm not someone who feels Hillary should dump all the blame on herself necessarily, her version of "what happened" in this book is essentially a lie.
A big, flaming, stinking lie.
And she's further hurting her legacy, whatever there is of it, by continuing to be so opaque, blaming Sanders and others who had little or nothing to do with her loss.
And let us not forget: she won the popular vote by a significant 3 million ballots. So if she wants to lie a wee bit more cleverly, she should be claiming her well-publicized near-collapse in public a couple of weeks before the election had been the result of a bug which had prevented her from visiting those all-important swing states which threw the electoral college to that orange gas bag. (Or does she?)
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I also had no problem with her use of the word "deplorables" either. There has to be something wrong with these Trump supporters who not only voted for him but continue to support him.
I have no problem with Hillary writing a books but her attacking Bernie and his supporters I don't like. She was no perfect but like President Obama, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, she did devote years to this country unlike Trump who devoted himself to himself.
I have no problem with Hillary writing a books but her attacking Bernie and his supporters I don't like. She was no perfect but like President Obama, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, she did devote years to this country unlike Trump who devoted himself to himself.
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Yes, her writing the book is fine. But her selective recollections of what happened only give fuel to her detractors that she was too much of "a lying whore-lesbo-bitch!" to be president.
Like their stories about 30,000 deleted emails regarding her her pedo pizzeria in Banghazi where Vince Foster is buried weren't enough.
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The same day Bernie's introducing his "Medicare for All" bill, Hillary went on The View as part of her Sanders smear campaign. She's sticking to the premise that Sanders made "personal" attacks against her. Apparently, criticizing her record as a war monger and Wall Street shill hit too close to home. She also said she and Sanders decided families were off limits, which is an odd thing to mention since Bernie never attacked her family.
She also said that she told her supporters to support Obama in 2008, but didn't get the same "respect" from Sanders and his supporters. Funny, as I recall Sanders campaigning for her and telling his supporters that a Trump Presidency would be catastrophic. Just more gaslighting from Hillary. Of course, she doesn't mention the DNC's meddling in her favor, the fact that she said she didn't need to court Bernie Supporters because she was "winning," etc. There was also a leaked video of her saying Bernie supporters had dead end jobs and lived in their parent's basements, and were swayed by Bernie's "pie in the sky." IMO, that's a personal attack.
Hillary has a strong sense of entitlement. The idea that an opponent's supporters have to fall in line behind the nominee is undemocratic. You still have to campaign for votes. It's funny how she accuses Bernie of stealing her ideas. In reality, it was Trump who stole some of Bernie's ideas and used them to outflank Hillary on the left. And because of her seething hatred of progressives, she did nothing to counter him. Still, with all the shit she talks about Bernie supporters, only twelve percent of them voted for Trump. In 2008, twenty five percent of Clinton supporters voted for McCain. Of course, the latter statistic doesn't feed the anti-Bernie narrative.
She also said that she told her supporters to support Obama in 2008, but didn't get the same "respect" from Sanders and his supporters. Funny, as I recall Sanders campaigning for her and telling his supporters that a Trump Presidency would be catastrophic. Just more gaslighting from Hillary. Of course, she doesn't mention the DNC's meddling in her favor, the fact that she said she didn't need to court Bernie Supporters because she was "winning," etc. There was also a leaked video of her saying Bernie supporters had dead end jobs and lived in their parent's basements, and were swayed by Bernie's "pie in the sky." IMO, that's a personal attack.
Hillary has a strong sense of entitlement. The idea that an opponent's supporters have to fall in line behind the nominee is undemocratic. You still have to campaign for votes. It's funny how she accuses Bernie of stealing her ideas. In reality, it was Trump who stole some of Bernie's ideas and used them to outflank Hillary on the left. And because of her seething hatred of progressives, she did nothing to counter him. Still, with all the shit she talks about Bernie supporters, only twelve percent of them voted for Trump. In 2008, twenty five percent of Clinton supporters voted for McCain. Of course, the latter statistic doesn't feed the anti-Bernie narrative.
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She is really hurting herself with this. But it reminds us how much of a tin ear she had which prevented her from naming Bernie as her running mate.
Fool, they name is Rodham. It rhymes with "god damn".
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Yet another conflicting statement from Hillary, this time on the influence of money in politics:
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And Ezra Klein is always right.
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This book is turning out to be a gold mine of bullshit. Hillary claims that white women were pressured by the men in their lives not to vote for "the girl," and specifically calls out Bernie supporters for being sexists. So now we're supposed to believe that a "strong, independent woman" like Hillary attracts doormats? This sounds like the deluded ramblings of someone who can't stand the fact that not all Bernie supporters are "bros." Were their external forces working against Hillary? Yes. Did she also abandon her support of progressive positions in favor of a neocon agenda? Yes. Because, as much as she denies it, she was influenced by money and power.
But as her lies and politically expedient flip-flops continue being exposed, establishment Democrats double down on smearing progressives. The last gasps of the moderate wing that is steadily loosing ground.
But as her lies and politically expedient flip-flops continue being exposed, establishment Democrats double down on smearing progressives. The last gasps of the moderate wing that is steadily loosing ground.
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Look at you going into overdrive. You haven't had this much fun feasting on your favorite subject since November.
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You're right, I am having fun with the low hanging fruit she's so graciously providing. But hey, at least I can't be accused of using her name out of context.
Besides, she's the one making it personal now with her baseless attacks against Bernie and his supporters.
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In this case, BD Calhoun is 100% correct. He's not injecting Hillary's name where it doesn't fit and isn't derailing threads mostly unrelated to Hillary in order to trash her yet again or deflect blame away from Donald Trump (who certainly warrants plenty of it).
This thread is about Hillary Clinton and her book.
And, if there was ever any doubt, her book proves she's a dirty lying whore.
And I voted for her twice and was supportive of her when she and her husband were slandered without mercy and without reason for 8 years in the White House.
And I was never really on the Bernie train all the much, and was realistic about her shift since the '90s.
But she's a dirty, lying, entitled, identity politics-riddled whore.
But then, most politicians are -- she just doesn't want to be accused of it because of "misogyny".
This thread is about Hillary Clinton and her book.
And, if there was ever any doubt, her book proves she's a dirty lying whore.
And I voted for her twice and was supportive of her when she and her husband were slandered without mercy and without reason for 8 years in the White House.
And I was never really on the Bernie train all the much, and was realistic about her shift since the '90s.
But she's a dirty, lying, entitled, identity politics-riddled whore.
But then, most politicians are -- she just doesn't want to be accused of it because of "misogyny".
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