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Frank Underwood

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I see your point of view but there is another side to your argument. The election will either be won by Trump or Hillary so choosing to vote for anyone other that her is effectively boosting Trump's chance of winning. Hillary is a flawed candidate but nowhere as bad as Trump, so for all her faults I hope as many people as possible will vote for her.
I can understand and even respect that argument. At least you're not trying to convince me that Hillary's political career is flawless.

Still, I personally feel compelled to vote for the candidate I believe in the most.

If Trump wins, I fear a wave of racism will be unleashed in the USA by people emboldened by a candidate that has made bigoted views of Muslims a centrepiece of his campaign. We have seen it in the UK following the EU Leave vote which was largely won by whipping up people's fears about foreigners. He must be stopped and Hillary is the best hope to achieve that.
I certainly don't disagree with you about Trump. However, the emails released by Wikileaks reveal that the Hillary campaign helped promote his candidacy. Regarding the Republican candidates, they said "We don't want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more "Pied Piper" candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party." The candidates they referred to specifically were Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, and Donald Trump. They also said in the email that “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to take them seriously."

Anyone fearful of a Trump presidency can thank the Clinton Campaign for pushing to legitimize his candidacy. Ironically, this is the same Democratic Party that undermined Bernie Sanders by scheduling the debates to compete with football, threatened to attack his religious views, referred to his supporters as sexist "Bernie bros," and so on. Even Jill Stein asked "If Dem elites cared about stopping Trump, why sabotage a candidate who'd beat him easily? Is their own power & privilege more important?" The answer to that question, of course, is yes. Hillary may win, but she and the DNC are responsible for bringing us to the brink of a Trump presidency.
 

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Twits? Let's leave Sarah Palin out of this. But I'd love to talk about the rhetoric you and your cohorts used in reference to Megyn Kelly.
Don't do as you say. Do as you,do..

Many men aren't intimidated by women in general. However, when it comes to a highly intelligent, highly capable, highly accomplished woman like Hillary Clinton, that's a horse of an entirely different color.
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Well, it was over then it wasn't. But silly me for thinking that one of the primary principles the justice system in this country is the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

There is the court of public opinion which is why we have message boards like this.. AND SHE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION..

You have Trump guilty of nonexistent crimes be isnt even being investigated for..

Hey, you have the black rapist Bill Cosby guilty, while the white rapist Bill Clinton never looked crosseyed at a girl.

O.J. Simpson should sue anybody that calls him a murderer for slander.

This from the guy who supports corrupt f-ing sack of lying crap Trump.

Oh yes .. The guy who had to play ball with corrupt politicians..
 

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Some men may never vote for a woman under any circumstance, but it's certainly not representative of all men. Look at Sarah Palin in 2008. Republicans were more excited to vote for her than John McCain.
Yes, and look at the type of woman Republicans can get behind: unintelligent, uninformed, unqualified, incapable, unaccomplished, and incompetent. In other words, everything Hillary Clinton clearly is not. Sometimes a video speaks a thousands words:


Gender is not an issue for me, and for President Obama to assume men who don't support Hillary are sexist misses the mark.
I doubt Obama made that statement as a broad generalization, but if you think that sexism in America isn't alive and well, Trump's rhetoric in that Access Hollywood tape is living proof. As well as the fact that women are far more offended by it than men (as evidenced by the severe gender gap among Trump supporters).

There are women that don't support her either, so does that say anything about them?
Yes, that people are often their own worst enemies. Not necessarily because they don't support Hillary, but because some of them still fervently support a man who clearly demeans women, and, in fact, treats them with utter disrespect and contempt.

I don't have a problem with Hillary's intelligence, nor her years in politics.
Well, that's you. Sadly, there's no lack of men who are intimidated by capable women.

Also, Jill Stein is a Harvard educated physician, so I clearly have nothing against intelligent, capable women.
While I certainly wouldn't dismiss those credentials if she were being considered for Surgeon General, how does her resume make her more qualified for president than the resume of a Yale educated attorney, U.S. Senator, and Secretary of State?

Hence the word "almost." lol

I certainly don't want to see a Trump presidency, but I do like the aspect of it blowing up in the establishment's face. After all, Trump is their creation.
That's what separates adults from children: the maturity to resist making Apocalyptic decisions purely on impulse. :cool1
 
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Bernie Sanders Abandons Clinton in Final Week
Hillary’s free pass from populist primary rival has expired
By Michael Sainato • 11/02/16 1:30pm

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Sen. Bernie Sanders. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

Sen. Bernie Sanders has begun to revert to his anti-establishment self as the end of the presidential election draws nearer.

Supporters have balked at a Sanders who supports Hillary Clinton, as she embodies the corruption and corporate influences that have transformed democracy in this country into an oligarchy.Sanders campaign events on behalf of Clinton have receivedpoor attendance from supporters, especially in comparison to the rallies he held during his own campaign.

Rather than delay holdingClinton accountable to progressive ideals until she’s safely in the White House,Sanders has recently emphasized the importance of pushing her to do the right thing, as she can’t be trusted to do so otherwise. “This is not trust. We are not here to trust,”Sanders said in a recentinterview with NowThis. “It is the very opposite of what I am saying, ‘oh, sit back, electClinton, and then trust.’ No, Mobilize. Educate. And if there are Democratic members ofCongress, or if Clinton, when elected President does not go forward in doing the right thing, let them know how you feel about it.”


Sanders’ organization Our Revolution has started apetition for Clinton to oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline, in support of the Native Americans protesting the project.

Unsurprisingly, Clinton has remained silent on the issue, only recently issuing a scripted statement of neutrality after protesters camped out at her campaign headquarters. Sanders sent a letter to President Obama on October 28, pleading with him to intervene as he eventually did with the Keystone XL pipeline.Obama has approved two more new pipelines while attention is focused on the Dakota Access Pipeline.



Sanders’ recent Op-Eds have also shifted from explaining why someone should vote forClinton, to what he and his supporters need to do the day after Election Day. He has stopped critiquing Donald Trump as much and has started to scold Hillary Clinton again.

“The leverage that I think I take into the Senate is taking on the entire Democratic Partyestablishment, and, you know, taking on a very powerful political organization with theClinton people,” Sanders said in a recent interview with The Washington Post. “We won 22 states and 46 percent of the pledged delegates, 13.4 million votes…and a majority of the younger people, the future of the country…That gives me a lot of leverage, leverage that I intend to use.”

Sanders also cautioned that ifClinton appoints corrupt, pro-Wall Street administration officials, he will do everything in his power to fight those nominations. “I expect her to appoint people who will head agencies in a way that is consistent with the Democratic Party platform, and if not, I will do my best to oppose those nominees,” he added.

Though Sanders supporters have been relegated to apathy since he officially ended his presidential campaign at theDemocratic National Convention, Sanders is beginning to show every intention of giving his supporters something to be excited about after Election Day. Clinton’s free pass from Sanders is over.
 
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