Dallas Character Which "new" character was the most well-written?

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I'm going to select a different character here and choose Drew (Kuno Becker). Many here know of my feelings towards the Ramos family however when I look back I think Drew was an interesting character bordering on good/bad. And Kuno played it really well.
 

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That's all very nice, but what you're saying is, my opinion doesn't count because it simply stuns you that I have a different opinion to you.
I didn't say that. I said exactly what I wrote. What's the process you went through to determine that because I pointed out that there are some objective standards, I was saying your opinion doesn't count?
 

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I didn't say that.
Ah, forgive me, I used the wrong word. It should read "That's all very nice, but what you're implying is, my opinion doesn't count because it simply stuns you that I have a different opinion to you".



I got the impression by using the term 'stun' that the opinion was so wrong it would shock someone. That's how I took it, nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Ah, forgive me, I used the wrong word. It should read "That's all very nice, but what you're implying is, my opinion doesn't count because it simply stuns you that I have a different opinion to you".



I got the impression by using the term 'stun' that the opinion was so wrong it would shock someone. That's how I took it, nothing more, nothing less.
Oh, now I understand what is going on. Maybe "stun" wasn't the best choice of words. It would have been more accurate to say I was surprised, or very surprised.

I meant "very surprised." Being very surprised in itself isn't a value judgement. There was nothing in my post designed to make anyone think that I was making a negative value judgement. I believe you really do like TNT Dallas and think it's up to the standard of the original. I don't think that's a bad thing. In my experience here, I only recall one other person who seemed to think TNT Dallas is that good, so it's something that comes along so infrequently that it's a rarity. Something rare isn't a negative or a positive by definition, but the more rare something is, the more surprising it is to find it.
 
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There was nothing in my post designed to make anyone think that I was making a negative value judgement.

Many things fascinate me and language along with various cultures around the world are up there in my ever-increasing list which is what I love about Soap Chat.


We all communicate through text and our version of the language, we all more or less understand each other, however, sometimes the text we use, or the phrases we highlight can have varying effects on each other. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between someone trolling the forums or genuinely interested in a particular subject.

I then wonder if many of us really understand how we come across to others. I question if I come across too sarcastic, or maybe I give a vibe that I'm kinda stupid because I rattle on too much. Maybe I come across like I run the place, or that my opinion is more superior to someone else. I also wonder if the word 'admin' makes me appear as some weird guy who loves to lord it over everyone. Maybe I just come across simple, funny, kinda right (most of the time) or just a pain that annoys others.

I'm pretty sure that I must have upset some members along the way by my posting style, or constant need to question everything, hell both my wife and daughter get annoyed by all the questions I ask with everything.


Anyway, that's a whole different thread and I'm rattling on about myself which is not what I planned when I first jumped into this thread and derailed it. I suppose I could just delete this post and leave it that, but I'm not into wasting computer ink so here it is and I'm suggesting we take the thread back to what it was intended to be since we've now found a reasonable solution to my query.
 

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Anyway, that's a whole different thread and I'm rattling on about myself which is not what I planned when I first jumped into this thread and derailed it.
Whether it's derailing or not, it's a valid subject. I won't go way into this because I don't want to derail either, but face it: When we take all of our potential to communicate with people - our tone of voice, our vocal inflections, our volume of speech, our facial expressions, and our body language and we condense all of that into little letters of black and white, a lot gets lost!
 

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But overall, I loved the whole thing. Despite its faults, I was so happy to see it back and with so many of the original actors and characters. I thought the way they wrote Cliff was closer to my kind of satisfaction in how he morphed into the character he became. I loved the SE/JR scenes as well as the SE/John Ross scenes. New characters like Emma, Judith, Harris and DRew as well as the brilliant Pamela Rebecca. We didn't get enough Ray, Lucy, Gary and Val stuff but I was grateful for what we got and I accepted that this was around 20 years later so not everyone would still be on the scene.
In an effort to get things back on topic, I looked through some of the earlier posts, and came across your above statement about what they did with Cliff. That's interesting to me because while I didn't like what they did with Cliff's character when TNT Dallas first aired, now I find myself thinking: yes, the Cliff they showed was very different, but it's very possible that with his constant bitterness and thirst for vengeance that those things could have really eaten away at his soul until he became the evil Cliff of TNT. We missed twenty years of seeing him make that transformation and I think that might be what shocked people, or even saddened them, but isn't possible that as a man who continually allowed negative thoughts to consume him, that what we saw would have been the end result?

I think it ties in with with the subject of the thread because while Cliff may not have been the character I thought was best written, my estimation of the way he was written in TNT is now much higher than it was. I still think Harris Ryland was the best written because I found him interesting and I found his actions to make sense based on the mindset of the character they had created. He was a dangerous adversary for the Ewings and that's critical for Dallas. If their adversaries don't pose any genuine threat, then how dramatic is that? Harris seemed to be a genuine threat and especially to how he could affect Ann's emotions. Harris continually manipulated Ann's emotions through Emma.

One thing I loved about original Dallas was that their main cast of characters all had some bad and some good in them with some having a lot more of one than the other. It was my perception that in TNT Dallas they often took away the good qualities a character had and just left the bad qualities, or at least diminished the good qualities while maintaining or even increasing the bad qualities. In original Dallas JR was a character with a lot of bad qualities, but it made JR ever so much more interesting because he did have good qualities as well!

I found JR's best quality to be how good of a father he was and the great relationship he had with John Ross. If TNT had just wanted to change that and have their relationship deteriorate that would have been one thing, an artistic choice. They did something else though; they tried to change Dallas history refusing to acknowledge JR being a good father and having a good relationship with John Ross, and went as far in rewriting Dallas history with things John Ross said about JR and JR even saying he'd failed John Ross as a father. We know what we saw!

It's an example of what I saw as TNT's fascination with removing or at least diminishing the positive qualities and amplifying the negative qualities of very well established characters. I loved the original show's balance of good and bad qualities in characters, of showing happiness and unhappiness, the light and dark, the hope and the fear. I was very disappointed that I didn't see that in TNT Dallas.
 

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Harris was the most consistent until his mother showed up and we found out that she was the Man behind the curtain, but overall, the show always felt closer in tone, to one of the reunion movies, than the series, with a few Ewings and a bunch of people I didn't care about
 
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