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Kit Mainwaring

Spooky Owl!

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Was that large rooster on his wall?
 

Spooky Owl!

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And this was long before Steven C. , always presented as "the first gay character" on tv.
Dallas was first, once again.

Well, no. Almost no one claims DYNASTY had "the first gay character" --- there had been numerous shows with gay "guest characters" (like DALLAS).

Flawed though it was, DYNASTY was the first (successful) dramatic series to have a gay character as a regular part of the cast. Billy Crystal's ironically-named "Jodie Dallas" on SOAP was the first American series, comedy or drama, to have a gay character as a continuing part of the cast (and as soon as Jodie took off the dress, he started exclusively dating women, so it wasn't a step forward, either -- ABC strikes again).
 
Well, no. Almost no one claims DYNASTY had "the first gay character" --- there had been numerous shows with gay "guest characters" (like DALLAS).

Flawed though it was, DYNASTY was the first (successful) dramatic series to have a gay character as a regular part of the cast. Billy Crystal's ironically-named "Jodie Dallas" on SOAP was the first American series, comedy or drama, to have a gay character as a continuing part of the cast (and as soon as Jodie took off the dress, he started exclusively dating women, so it wasn't a step forward, either -- ABC strikes again).
does Paul Lynde’s ubiquity on various 70s game shows count?
 

Spooky Owl!

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does Paul Lynde’s ubiquity on various 70s game shows count?

But everyone thought he was straight. Seriously.

In the '70s, there were various gay characters who popped up in guest roles from time-to-time --- not a lot, but occasionally. Which is what Kit Mainwaring and his big living room cock (I assume Larry and Patrick nailed the set wall) was: just a "guest" character.

In 1977 came cross-dressing Jodie Dallas on SOAP -- to much media controversy (young as I was at the time, the ruckus still seemed excessive, as other series -- like ALL IN THE FAMILY and MAUDE and even MARY TYLER MOORE -- had already addressed those issues for several years.... but only in single episodes.

And SOAP was making Billy Crystal's character a regular, weekly role. Then came The Carrington Stevens --- gay, bi, straight, asexual and, ultimately, binarily cast.

No wonder the Stevenbot was so uptight.
 

xab

Telly Talk Fan
Yes, it was what I meant : regular part of the cast.

(When Snarky is patrolling, you'd better choose your words very carefully...)

I "claimed" nothing. I was speaking from a french point of view. This is how it was sold in France. Not all the series you are referring to aired in my country.

Voilà, voilà, désolé pour le dérangement... Ça ne se reproduira pas, Votre Majesté.
 

Angela Chilling

Telly Talk Veteran
Number 96's Don Finlayson pipped them both to the post.. by quite some years. Here's a 1972 scene:

That's really interesting because I always understood that the first series to feature a recurring gay character was the US sitcom Corner Bar which was also launched in 1972 but I think you may be right as Corner Bar was a midseason replacement for another series so first aired quite late that year. The character was called Peter Panama and was played by an actor called Vincent Schiavelli.

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James from London

International Treasure
an actor called Vincent Schiavelli
who, among many, many other things, was also briefly Paige's chihuahua-carrying landlord (or building manager, to be more precise) on KNOTS.
 
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Spooky Owl!

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Number 96's Don Finlayson pipped them both to the post.. by quite some years. Here's a 1972 scene:


There is a theory that the reason homophobia appears -- and then reappears -- in the culture, and always will, is that it takes something away from women. That all male attention, utility, protection and resources must be funneled towards her, and male homosexuality really gets in the way of that.

Nobody is saying that it's easy growing up as a little lesbian girl, knowing you're "different," but there is no prohibition of two grown women meeting up in a restaurant, giving each other an innocent hug and a kiss --- no one assumes they're lesbians (even if they are lesbians).

It's quite different for men. To get away with any kind of public affection, even for abjectly straight guys, without making observers gasp or squirm, you'd have to be a Double-Alpha-Male 350-pound linebacker who'd never appear that he'd ever give a sh!t what anybody thought.

Some would argue that "that's just because of male insecurity." But where does that insecurity come from? They get it from the culture, and that culture is not just made up of males. Maintaining female approval is even more important to men than male approval is for women.

Which is interesting.

Homophobia is largely designed to shame men -- predominantly straight-ish men who are prodigally going his own way, doing his own thing and minding his own business -- into returning to the plantation in order to provide resources for women, as per usual. (With lesbians and actual gay men just collateral damage).

Some call that theory "preposterous" unless you think about if for 10 seconds, and then you realize it's self-evidently true.

It's also been said that homosexual men shouldn't trust leftish women 100% who identify as gay-friendly. And that only in an era (like today) when women are fully supporting themselves financially, can those women afford to be so liberally-minded (or pretend to be) regarding male sexuality... But when she goes for a serious relationship or marriage, she still looks to "traditional" masculinity and a man who can offer an income & status upgrade. So when the culture eventually shifts back to more traditional gender roles, her acceptance of male homosexuality dissipates, because all male efforts (including sexual) must be directed at her.

Even in more diverse periods in the culture (like now), there is a certain condescension in women's acceptance of male homosexuality -- even from "open-minded" liberal women (even, quite often, from lesbians! -- who are often just as contemptuous of male homosexuality).

Did Kit Mainwaring understand any of this? Probably not. But, y'know, it was a different time.

White, middle-class, quasi-progressive women run the culture in the west. (Advertizers have known this for ages, which is why all TV commercials portray women as ethereal and brilliant, while all the men are either idiots or tastefully remain in the background looking helpful). And those women have been at the forefront of pushing trans-ideology to the point of near-insanity (e.g., surgery on 9-year-olds).

Can anybody think of a more effective way to push the pendulum -- elongated and dripping -- back towards the other direction, damaging gay rights in a backlash?

Hmmmmmmmmm....


"Lucy, I think I'm a transwoman. So, yes, now we can get married."
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