#metoo

[Werewillie Oleson]

or is it the gaudy variety most people are familiar with?

They're reading books, so unless it's a very provocative and raunchy book I assume it's all kids-friendly.

Mother Goose sounds far less controversial than, say, a random drag performer dressed like a contestant on Ru Paul's Drag Race

Why not an extravagant, glittery fairy godmother?

What's next? DYNASTY will damage children?

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

They're reading books, so unless it's a very provocative and raunchy book I assume it's all kids-friendly.

Why not an extravagant, glittery fairy godmother?

As I added to my post, I think any child-centered character is okay. I ultimately believe it's the context and the motivation behind it that matters.

Some people like being taboo and courting controversy for the fun of it. As long as it's actually about the children and not the performer's own narcissism, I think it's fine.

What's next? DYNASTY will damage children?

Why not? It's damaged plenty of adults.

 

[Werewillie Oleson]

I ultimately believe it's the context and the motivation behind it that matters.

It was established with a certain goal therefore I don't understand why there should be confusion about context and motivation.

I like to think they can explore these themes in addition to the more traditional stuff that is basically everywhere.
Now, if the kids would all run away screaming in fright and disgust then obviously it wouldn't work.

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

It was established with a certain goal therefore I don't understand why there should be confusion about context and motivation.

Making the world a "brighter place" and spreading awareness of our differences was one drag performer's perspective.

I don't necessarily think you need drag queens for that, but whatever. It's ultimately how it's presented that I think is most important.

I like to think they can explore these themes in addition to the more traditional stuff that is basically everywhere.
Now, if the kids would all run away screaming in fright and disgust then obviously it wouldn't work.

What themes need to be explored when reading to children? Is it unreasonable to expect it to have something to do with their interests and, well, reading?

What I'm trying to say is that involving children with the unconventional isn't the issue, but I find it more valid when it's actually geared towards them or their reading material.

 

[Sea - Boo! - Er]

I've always believed that if I invite a woman out on a first date then I would pay unless she insists on paying her share. If a woman invites me out on a date (yeah, wishful thinking!) then the expectation would be that she would pay, although I would offer to pay my share of the bill.

If you invite someone out somewhere (be it male or female), it's reasonable to expect that person to pay unless otherwise discussed. If a person asks another person if they'd be willing to split the check before the invitation is accepted, I think that's reasonable too. It's then up to the other person whether or not they're fine with that. My issue is with the idea that it's "expected" for men to always provide for women. To me, that's the misandrist version of saying women should always put out after a date. Women rightly don't want to be a sex object, and men shouldn't have to be a personal ATM. I see it as a form of mutual respect, but certain misandrist ideas are still deeply entrenched.

Not often that you two agree - and I agree, too!
It's not that hard; whoever makes the invitation should expect to pay.

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

Not often that you two agree - and I agree, too!
It's not that hard; whoever makes the invitation should expect to pay.

Yes, it's nice when that happens. I certainly prefer to find common ground with people whenever possible.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

We are aaaaall women.
The guy-women are just prettier.

You're so intelligent that I never know what you're talking about.

As I added to my post, I think any child-centered character is okay. I ultimately believe it's the context and the motivation behind it that matters.

Some people like being taboo and courting controversy for the fun of it. As long as it's actually about the children and not the performer's own narcissism, I think it's fine.

I'm not sure if this applies, but director John Waters once said that he enjoyed saying sexually inappropriate things to children... And I would never let him near my kids.

 

[Angela Chilling]

Not often that you two agree - and I agree, too!
It's not that hard; whoever makes the invitation should expect to pay.

What do you mean? I always agree with Frank when he accepts I've been correct all along.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

What do you mean? I always agree with Frank when he accepts I've been correct all along.

But did that happen?

 

[Angela Chilling]

But did that happen?

No, that's not how humour works.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

No, that's not how humour works.

Now I understand!

 

[Frankenstein Underworld]

What do you mean? I always agree with Frank when he accepts I've been correct all along.

Spoken in true Angela Channing fashion.

Is it more fun being adversaries? Perhaps I should change my screen name to Melissa Agretti.

 

[Angela Chilling]

Is it more fun being adversaries? Perhaps I should change my screen name to Melissa Agretti.

I based my joke on this quote from the great Brian Clough:

"If I had an argument with a player we would sit down for twenty minutes, talk about it and then decide I was right!"

 

[CryptCreeper72]

I'm not a fan of story hours in general. I don't like the idea of ANY random person being invited into my child's school to read to them - or interact with them in any way. Educators and school employees go through extensive background checks. Some random person coming to read to them doesn't. I don't care if they're a drag queen or not, children shouldn't be subjected to unvetted volunteers in school. Pedophiles and those who seek to harm children tend to gravitate towards schools, churches, and youth clubs for a reason.

 

[Werewillie Oleson]

Aren't parents supposed to be there, or at least school staff to supervise the Story Hour?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if it's going to have a positive effect on this generation of toddlers.
Could a moderator make it sticky so we can discuss it again 20 years from now?

 

[CryptCreeper72]

Aren't parents supposed to be there, or at least school staff to supervise the Story Hour?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if it's going to have a positive effect on this generation of toddlers.
Could a moderator make it sticky so we can discuss it again 20 years from now?

In the best situation, the readers are supposed to be supervised by teachers or librarians. Unfortunately, it's not unusual for those educators to be distracted and move to another area.

My main objection isn't what may happen during the story hour anyway. It's about the relationship formed during the story hour and how that could be used to groom or abuse outside of a supervised situation.

Of course, I'm REALLY over cautious. A parent volunteer in one of my kids' schools turned out to be a serial sex offender. It was traumatic for all the kids and the entire community.

 

[Spooky Owl!]

In the best situation, the readers are supposed to be supervised by teachers or librarians. Unfortunately, it's not unusual for those educators to be distracted and move to another area.

My main objection isn't what may happen during the story hour anyway. It's about the relationship former during the story hour and how that could be used to groom or abuse outside of a supervised situation.

Of course, I'm REALLY over cautious. A parent volunteer in one of my kids' schools turned out to be a serial sex offender. It was traumatic for all the kids and the entire community.

But, at least, in cashmere and pearls, they're easy to spot.

 

[CryptCreeper72]

But, at least, in cashmere and pearls, they're easy to spot.

The ones that are easy to spot aren't the real problem though, are they?

 

[Spooky Owl!]

The ones that are easy to spot aren't the real problem though, are they?

Dunno.

 

[Werewillie Oleson]

When I was in elementary school (6 y/o) the new priest stopped by introduce himself. We instantly clashed because he refused to accept my (well, our) local dialect.
I never forgave him for trying to make me feel bad - and he also wasn't good-looking - and I wish we had had a drag queen explaining that different dialects is perfectly fine and part our uniqueness. So, if anything, I think it's the adults who can learn something from them.