AOC says "Woke 1.0 was crazy"

Willie Oleson

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As for woke, isn't it better to be a forward thinker (progressive) than backwards
Not if the forward thinker relentlessly attacks every value that isn't his/hers, puts the cause in a very bad light which inevitably results in a tendency to backwards thinking.
Protecting the rights of the marginalised is an ongoing process, but it must be done when and where it's needed. Not because it's fashionable.
Presentation is everything, which is what every politician should know.
 

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Protecting the rights of the marginalised is an ongoing process, but it must be done when and where it's needed. Not because it's fashionable.
Exactly this. And honestly, as the mother of a non-binary child, all this "woke" activism did way more harm to the LBGTQ+ community than good. People who identify as transgender or non-binary make up approximately one percent of the US population. Most of them want to just be left alone to live their lives as they see fit. All of this activism focused the spotlight squarely on them. Trump and the MAGAts managed to use that spotlight to generate so much hate and intolerance.

Before wokeism, my child and my family were left alone. Now, through no fault of our own, we have become public enemy number one.
 

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ow do you get the stock market to crash? Hmmmm......power to the people...the consumers. That's what I meant when I said most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it. People have convinced themselves they can't live without Google, Meta, Starlink, Wal-mart, McDonalds.......they're unwilling to do mass boycotts

Stock market crashes gut the middle class far more than they impact billionaires, who will just use the crash as an opportunity to buy more at firesale prices. I prefer to not have my entire financial stability wiped out to prove a point that won't even work.
 

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I prefer to not have my entire financial stability wiped out to prove a point that won't even work.
So selfish.

J/K. Proving a point doesn't work if it isn't organised. It needs to be done on Union level to ensure the masses that they'll get something else (and preferably better) instead.
Logistically speaking I'm not sure if it would be possible to reroute the (obese) masses from big supermarkets and junkfood chains to charming little authentic family-owned shops and businesses. If it were me, I'd close my shop and flee to higher ground if I saw them coming.
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Logistically speaking I'm not sure if it would be possible to reroute the (obese) masses from big supermarkets and junkfood chains to charming little authentic family-owned shops and businesses. If it were me, I'd close my shop and flee to higher ground if I saw them coming.
Stampede in the Mercantile!
It's not possible. I do my very best to shop local, but the economy is so bad and prices are so high I just can't afford to. If my choice is to spend $2 for a loaf of bread at Food Lion or $5 for a loaf of bread at a mom and pop grocery, I'm afraid that's not even really a choice
 

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I told you most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it but it's one of the only ways to beat them.

The current stock market is phony. It's created with fairy dust.

Instead, the masses let conglomerates like McD's fill them full of addictive sodium, fat, cancerous fillers and sugar.

Keep buying your produce from Taylor Farms et al then.
 
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If my choice is to spend $2 for a loaf of bread at Food Lion or $5 for a loaf of bread at a mom and pop grocery
This breaks my heart because, to me, bread is the only sacred food item that I would never buy from a supermarket. Since last year I often eat my bread plain and dry because I don't want to spoil it with additional flavours.
 

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I told you most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it but it's one of the only ways to beat them.
It's not about intestinal fortitude, it's about survival. There's almost always too much month left after the money is gone as it is. Add to that a stock market crash that will wipe out all of mine and my husband's retirement savings (which we depend on as older, retired Americans) and we would be financially destroyed.

We don't eat fast food, not only is it unhealthy, but it is ridiculously expensive.

Perhaps it is selfish to protect my families' financial survival instead of protesting, but boycotting and protesting rarely works and as has been pointed out, stock market crashes tend to hurt people like me way more than they hurt billionaires.
 
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This breaks my heart because, to me, bread is the only sacred food item that I would never buy from a supermarket. Since last year I often eat my bread plain and dry because I don't want to spoil it with additional flavours.
Bread is so simple to make at home too. English muffins, tortillas, etc even easier and healthier.

Everybody just convinces themselves they don't have time but can find time to scroll on their phones for hours.
 

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Perhaps it is selfish to protect my families' financial survival instead of protesting, but boycotting and protesting rarely works and as has been pointed out, stock market crashes tend to hurt people like me way more than they help billionaires.
I didn't say it was easy. Is it better to keep sending your family to pointless foreign wars that keep enriching the billionaires? Or letting them slaughter thousands of others for no reason?

The American booze boycott here in Canada has certainly hurt American booze conglomerates and I've never seen so many local craft brewing companies, Canadian brands, etc on the shelves instead. It's caught Trump's attention so much he threatened new 50% tariffs unless we put U.S. booze back on the shelves.
 

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Instead, the masses let conglomerates like McD's fill them full of addictive sodium, fat, cancerous fillers and sugar.
At the risk of sounding KGB, this is something that governments should look into, to make those fat factories less accessible. In some (US) regions people would actually have to drive out of town to buy healthier food.
But this would clash with the principle of free enterprise.

Bread is so simple to make at home too. English muffins, tortillas, etc even easier and healthier.
I'd love to bake my own bread, muffins, croissants and pastry - but I'm a terrible cook, I can't even make pancakes.
 

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At the risk of sounding KGB, this is something that governments should look into, to make those fat factories less accessible. In some (US) regions people would actually have to drive out of town to buy healthier food.
But this would clash with the principle of free enterprise.
I remember seeing a report on the Navajo Nation having very few healthy food options so are forced to rely on fast, ultra processed food or drive hundreds of miles for fresh. If course an alternative would be, to eat the diet of their ancestors but everyone is so 'busy' and their traditional hunting and crop lands were stolen.

It's similar in northern Ontario. Crazy expensive grocery store prices. So the alternative is the processed, shelf stable crap.

You'dvalmost think it was a type of legal genocide...
I'd love to bake my own bread, muffins, croissants and pastry - but I'm a terrible cook, I can't even make pancakes.
Oh dear...maybe there's someone's Grandmother who will cook for you in exchange for conversation. ;)
 

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The American booze boycott here in Canada has certainly hurt American booze conglomerates

There's a little difference between a targeted, specific boycott and wanting to crash the stock market. The later would, sure, make some billionaires' imaginary wealth disappear but it would also gut the American middle class and probably send the world economy into a tailspin. Americans have participated in plenty of the former kinds of boycotts.
 

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Of course Dem Presidents have been responsible for innocent lives lost. I told you, I couldn't care less what political party someone represents. I however can't help but notice the Republicans seem more war hawkish than Dems.

Republicans always have some new, dangerous enemy country that the story inevitably gets told....we have to stop them from getting nukes, sponsoring terror, blah, blah, blah. Just the last few decades, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and round and round. Meanwhile, seemingly don't care about the crazed lunatic in N.K. that already has nukes but no known oil reserves so not worried about them.
I don't know about that. We ran out of bombs (temporarily) when Obama was President, and he took us from two wars to seven (including Libya, Syria, and Yemen). The US also began funding the genocide in Gaza when Biden was in office. Republicans may have a reputation for being the bigger war hawks, but Dems give them a run for their money.

Also, a leaked email from Hillary Clinton advisor Neera Tanden revealed that she believed Americans would "choose not to engage in the world" if we didn't take the oil from the nations we invaded. The only difference is Trump was dumb enough to say the same thing publicly. What separates Trump from other politicians is the lack of a filter.
Billionaires for the most part these days don't own anything tangible. They own crypto (what even is that?), tech stocks, A.I. etc. That means they're entirely vulnerable to stock market crashes.

How do you get the stock market to crash? Hmmmm......power to the people...the consumers. That's what I meant when I said most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it. People have convinced themselves they can't live without Google, Meta, Starlink, Wal-mart, McDonalds.......they're unwilling to do mass boycotts, put down their phones, support local Mom'n Pop stores, rein in unnecessary spending, etc.
A lot of the fast food junk can certainly be cut out, and I certainly thing stepping away from some of these social media sites would be good for our mental health.

That said, I agree with what others said about crashing the stock market hurting the middle class and the affordability issues of buying local. You can't spend what you don't have, and many people are right on the poverty line. A lot of those people also rely on SNAP, and I'm not even sure how many local Mom and Pop stores are able to take that.

As for phones, I'm sure most people could get by with a basic cell instead of a smart phone if they wanted to. I kind of miss my basic phone, to be honest. It was nice not being bombarded with constant notifications, and I'm sure the constant doom scrolling hasn't done my stress or blood pressure any favors. But getting the world as a whole to get on board at this point would be near impossible. It's become an addiction, just like the fast food, the social media, and the convenience of Amazon and Walmart grocery pickup.

The prices are still expensive, but comparatively speaking, they're always going to be cheaper than the local homegrown store in town. It sucks, but that's the reality. So the billionaires have a stranglehold on both the consumers and the levers of government, which gives them total control. I used to believe we could vote our way out of it, but money is so deeply entrenched in politics that I think it's futile now. The people who go into politics with their idealism intact usually get co-opted one way or another.
As for woke, isn't it better to be a forward thinker (progressive) than backwards (MAGA where they can't even pinpoint a time they want to go back to)?
But by the same token, can the left pinpoint what it means to be a forward thinker? It seems like there's a lot of division over that as well.

I've always considered myself rather progressive, but I've been told that if I don't believe certain things 100%, than I'm some type of phobe and not an ally.

Generally speaking, the people who hold themselves to such high standards describe themselves as "woke." They're the self-appointed spokespeople for the marginalized.
 
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