Dallas Random Thought Thread

[Taylor Bennett Jr.]

Yes whatever did they do to Cliff? He was unrecognisable. Of course original Cliff had many faults but at least he was still humanish.

although.. even in the original they changed him pretty dramatically a few seasons in from serious and competent (if overly revenge-obsessed) to an incompetent buffoon.

I guess the suicide attempt would be an explanation, but I think the different direction started when Rebecca appeared out of nowhere to make him wealthy and spoiled, when he’d been scrappy and self-made previously.

 

[LMLDallas78]

but I think the different direction started when Rebecca appeared out of nowhere to make him wealthy and spoiled,

Yes, it's like Cliff couldn't handle the responsibility his mother gave him, especially in his small mind it was a step closer to being like and getting at JR.

Loved early Cliff when he was a lawyer, especially how he was forced into having a part in rescuing Bobby from his kidnappers. Then his work with the OLM.

Enjoyed him running for senator too even though it was a set up, but as soon as he dipped his toe in the oil business it went straight to his head and he became far too big for his cowboy boots.

 

[Seaviewer]

Yes whatever did they do to Cliff? He was unrecognisable. Of course original Cliff had many faults but at least he was still humanish.

I think it could have worked with adequate explanation, a criticism that extends to much of the show.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I think it could have worked with adequate explanation, a criticism that extends to much of the show.

The way I reasoned it with the TNT show is after Cliff discovered that his sister Pam was believed dead it made him unhinged and very bitter against the Ewing's. That's how I reasoned it. It's also possible his hatred was exacerbated by possible brain damage when he tried to commit suicide on the show many years earlier.

Poor old Cliff, he was his own worst enemy.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Conundrum wasn't great, but it was at least more creative than most of Seasons 13-14 (and 11-12 for that matter)
and more watchable.



What if Miss Ellie deeded Southfork to Gary, Ray and Jenna are invited to move there, Bobby leaves to join Pam and Gary kicks out JR?

Having lost Ewing Oil and all his family and friends, JR is truly alone.

JR, alone in a different house, hears a knock at the door. When he opens it, Steve Forrest says to him," Let's get Ewing Oil back... and Southfork too!"

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Conundrum wasn't great, but it was at least more creative than most of Seasons 13-14 (and 11-12 for that matter)
and more watchable.



What if Miss Ellie deeded Southfork to Gary, Ray and Jenna are invited to move there, Bobby leaves to join Pam and Gary kicks out JR?

Having lost Ewing Oil and all his family and friends, JR is truly alone.

JR, alone in a different house, hears a knock at the door. When he opens it, Steve Forrest says to him," Let's get Ewing Oil back... and Southfork too!"

So Jock returns to help JR get Ewing Oil back!

I'd certainly watch that buddy.

 

[Billy Wall]

Donna should have left as soon as Ray said to her "take your hands off of me."

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Donna should have left as soon as Ray said to her "take your hands off of me."

When was that?

 

[LMLDallas78]

When was that?

That's what I wanted to ask!

 

[Billy Wall]

When was that?

It was right after that land deal fell through while Jock and Punk was in South America and Donna was just trying to console him. She puts her hands on his shoulder and he coldly says "take your hands off of me."

He came across like a husband that can turn violent.

 

[LMLDallas78]

He came across like a husband that can turn violent.

Well he certainly enjoyed taking part in a good brawl with the "lads", not sure he would be violent with Donna, especially how she threw a punch at that Bonnie!

 

[Toni]

I´d say it´s Season 5´s "Starting Over". You know, close to the beginning of "The Bonnie Years".

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[DallasFanForever]

It was right after that land deal fell through while Jock and Punk was in South America and Donna was just trying to console him. She puts her hands on his shoulder and he coldly says "take your hands off of me."

He came across like a husband that can turn violent.

Ray definitely had a temper but I can’t see him ever getting violent with Donna no matter how upset he was. And if he did, she was certainly not the type to put up with that kind of stuff. She would’ve walked out on him instantly.

 

[Billy Wall]

Ray definitely had a temper but I can’t see him ever getting violent with Donna no matter how upset he was. And if he did, she was certainly not the type to put up with that kind of stuff. She would’ve walked out on him instantly.

Only because they weren't going to show domestic violence coming from one of the core characters.

If the Ray/Donna dynamic was on another type of show, Ray fits the criteria of a man that will eventually get violent. Go back and watch that scene and tell me that there wasn't some hate in Ray at that moment.

 

[LMLDallas78]

Only because they weren't going to show domestic violence coming from one of the core characters

Do you remember what JR was like with Sue Ellen?

 

[DallasFanForever]

Only because they weren't going to show domestic violence coming from one of the core characters.

If the Ray/Donna dynamic was on another type of show, Ray fits the criteria of a man that will eventually get violent. Go back and watch that scene and tell me that there wasn't some hate in Ray at that moment.

I have to watch that scene again as I haven’t seen it in awhile now but I do remember him being overly hostile towards her and worse than usual. As you say, on another type of show perhaps they do “go there” with Ray but that wasn’t Dallas.

Of course now as I type this I just thought of J.R. slapping Sue Ellen that time very early on in the series and that was one of the most uncomfortable things I’ve ever seen, so I’m glad they didn’t go there with Ray again after the land deal fell through.

Do you remember what JR was like with Sue Ellen?

You read my mind. I didn’t see your post until I posted. That’s exactly what I was thinking of once @Billy Wall mentioned Ray.

 

[Billy Wall]

Do you remember what JR was like with Sue Ellen?

I remember that scene, but that's not the type of domestic violence I was thinking of. I was thinking more like the type of domestic violence Cally had to endure in the Conundrum episode.

 

[LMLDallas78]

I remember that scene, but that's not the type of domestic violence I was thinking of. I was thinking more like Cally and the man she was with in the Conundrum episode.

You'll have to remind me of that, it's not an episode or scene I recall too well.
I'm intrigued to know how this man's domestic violence differs.

We all remember JR slapping Sue Ellen in Act of love and before that she slapped him in Black Market Baby when he grabbed her. He also grabbed her roughly infront of the mirror in Call girl.

Of course not all of JR's abuse was physical.

 

[Toni]

There´s no violence like pig violence...

Anyway, what about the violence against brother-in-laws...

...Or against poor, sweet stepsisters?

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[LMLDallas78]

More often than not it was poor Sue Ellen who was man handled or slapped.

She was good at trying to defend herself, like the time she physically attacked JR infront of the family and slapped him (well his hat off) in Rodeo.