Billy Wall
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Let's be real. They were all awful people and showing emotion was beneath them. Sue Ellen and JR pretty much caused the death of Mickey and they acted as if they could have cared less.
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Let's be real. They were all awful people and showing emotion was beneath them. Sue Ellen and JR pretty much caused the death of Mickey and they acted as if they could have cared less.
DallasFanForever
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Pam, Cliff, Miss Ellie and Clayton were really the only ones that shed a tear for Jamie. Looking back on Sue Ellen and her reaction to deaths (Mickey, Kristin, Nicholas, Jamie, Pam’s leaving) she really didn’t show a lot of emotion with those things. She tended to move on very quickly. Dusty’s death got the most reaction out of her I’d say but even that felt kind of subdued.
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The only time we ever saw Sue Ellen express real grief was when JR died in NuDallas. The more I watch, I really think SE is almost incapable of forming deep emotional attachments to anyone other than JR and John Ross.
DallasFanForever
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Definitely the most grief she showed and with good reason. I had forgotten about this because, well, watching NuDallas I was often crying so much myself.
Sue Ellen is interesting. She obviously isn't a sociopath because she is clearly capable of feeling real love and empathy, but almost ALL of her love and empathy is exhausted by JR (leaving a few scraps for John Ross). She doesn't even seem to have much of an attachment to Christopher - who is her nephew by both adoption and by blood.
Billy Wall
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Cliff? I remember him being more concerned with getting his hands on her share of Ewing Oil.
Now that you mention it, that's how I remember it too. It seemed like he was a little shell shocked at first, but once the greed took over it was all about Ewing Oil.
DallasFanForever
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Yes, very true. I just meant at first he did seem genuinely grief stricken when Pam first gives him the news.
Jock's Ghost
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S10 is slightly better. The pacing is back, but everyone is OFF. JR is pissy and irritable, and Bobby is a non-entity. Not a fan of JR and Sue Ellen snipping and snapping at each other again. S9 for all its issues, the best was with JR and John Ross bonding and Sue Ellen and JR getting along. It feels fake. The end of S8 with Bobby and Pam professing their love for each other next to S10 does not feel right.
And the mistreatment of the Krebs is annoying. Back to the fighting now....Zzzzz.
I still like the Wes is Jock storyline, shame on all for not going through with it. They should have killed off Clayton at the end of the season.
And the mistreatment of the Krebs is annoying. Back to the fighting now....Zzzzz.
I still like the Wes is Jock storyline, shame on all for not going through with it. They should have killed off Clayton at the end of the season.
As much as I liked it when SE and JR argued, it did get tiresome after a while. Linda and Larry were so good together. I think they should have kept them together and used SE's new scheming attitude to have the two of them cause mayhem together.
Jock's Ghost
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YES! both of them scheming..... these later seasons seem to hate JR as he reacts pissy and weak towards Mandy and even Cliff.
Jock's Ghost
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And S10 makes Bobby look like a cad in the way dumps Jenna and Charlie. It made no sense that Charlie was never Ewing. And Ray being a sexist pig about Donna's career move always felt very dated and out of step. I guess that was still a thing in the '80s, but it made Ray look like a massive doucher.
And why is Sue Ellen still angry? Her talking with Paramalee and enjoying how he irritates JR is worse than anything he ever did to her.
And why is Sue Ellen still angry? Her talking with Paramalee and enjoying how he irritates JR is worse than anything he ever did to her.
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Billy Wall
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I agreed with everything you said but that. JR put Sue Ellen through hell for the most part.
Exactly. By the time she talks to Parmelee he had been flaunting his mistress out in public for ages and had been deliberately pushing her back to the bottle so he could put her back in the sanitarium.
DallasFanForever
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I think too much had happened in between by that point, even if most of it hadn’t really happened. Bobby had “died” and was gone for a year while Pam had remarried. Then when they’re back together in season 10 Jenna and her pregnancy hangs over them like a dark cloud most of the season. It was great having Pam and Bobby back together but I think the year and a half since their original reunion in season 8 did hurt them a bit.
Jock Ewing Fan
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I understand what you are saying about Ray.
However, I think it was a realistic reaction, in the context of the show.
Ray did not have the business savvy of JR and Bobby.
Donna was successful in many endeavors.
It would be realistic that Ray would have resentments, and frustration.
Bobby - I wanted him to marry Jenna.
It could have led to stories with Pam undergoing drastic changes in personality, and maybe VP would have stayed, with better scripts.
JR and Sue Ellen - couldn't function with each other, couldn't function without each other LOL
Linda Gray's departure was a major factor in the (further) decline in seasons 13 and 14
Jock's Ghost
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Good points.... It just got tiresome that insecure Ray went on and on about it.
Jenna and Bobby should have married. Keeping Bobby and Pam apart was their appeal. Like Gary and Val.
Jenna and Bobby should have married. Keeping Bobby and Pam apart was their appeal. Like Gary and Val.
Jock's Ghost
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THat's a good point.
Jock's Ghost
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A great moment in Ep 8 of season 10... Bobby and Pam pull off the road and sit in the car to take in the moment. Bobby leans over to kiss Pam and the belts are still locked, and it feels scripted until Victoria begins to laugh her big laugh, Patrick leans into it and milks the humor and it feels very much like a blooper, a spontaneous moment left in and its one of the few genuine moments that come out of the post-Bobby years.
Jock's Ghost
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Didn't Larry Hagman once say about Debra Shelton, "Mandy"; kissing her was like, "Kissing Hitler." What did he mean by that?