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Don't watch documentaries on serial killers just before going to sleep
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A suspect in the Long Island Serial Killer case has been arrested and identified as Rex Heuermann, a 59 year old architect:
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Court documents: https://www.scribd.com/document/659084376/Gilgo-Beach-murder-court-documents#
He's so far "only" been definitively linked to four of the murders as his own DNA was found on one of the bodies, but the hair of his wife (!) was found on the burlap sacks that the bodies were found in. The police has emphasized that the wife was out of the country when the murders happened, so it seems like he just used household items where her hair was present. While not definitively linked to the other killings, such as the Asian male Doe that was found, the court documents points out that one of his searches included "Asian male twinks", so I assume they suspect him for beyond those four "Gilgo" beach murders.
Rex Heuermann, architect and married dad of two, busted in Gilgo Beach serial killings after DNA found on pizza box
Rex Heuermann, 59, a married architect at a New York City firm, was caught after DNA from a hair of victim Megan Waterman matched that of his, taken by investigators from a discarded pizza crust in…
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Court documents: https://www.scribd.com/document/659084376/Gilgo-Beach-murder-court-documents#
He's so far "only" been definitively linked to four of the murders as his own DNA was found on one of the bodies, but the hair of his wife (!) was found on the burlap sacks that the bodies were found in. The police has emphasized that the wife was out of the country when the murders happened, so it seems like he just used household items where her hair was present. While not definitively linked to the other killings, such as the Asian male Doe that was found, the court documents points out that one of his searches included "Asian male twinks", so I assume they suspect him for beyond those four "Gilgo" beach murders.
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This was always a weird one -- handsome (as long as he had a beard and smiles) Chris Watts, who appeared the sweet and nurturing father, murders his pregnant wife (Shanann) and two tiny daughters by asphyxia in August 2018, and then deposited their bodies in an oil drum somewhere on his Colorado job site, presumably because he was having an brief extramarital affair with his co-worker, Nichol Kessinger (a woman, oddly enough).
Chris and Shanann were having serious money problems, as it would turn out, and a third child was just going to stretch their finances to the breaking point. She was excited, and he only pretended to be.
He was an idiot for many reasons. He initially denied knowing why they'd "disappeared" in TV news interviews on his front porch, his affect and demeanor totally wrong to the point of being laughable, speaking already of his missing family in the past tense. Once he failed his polygraph (registering a score of negative 18 when a negative 4 is enough to established you're a liar) he lied that his wife killed their daughters via suffocation and he in turn then killed his wife in a rage in exactly the same way.
He finally confessed to all the crimes.
But he continued to assert, with some focus, even after copping to the heinous deeds, that he "never hurt my daughters." Later, after receiving multiple life terms, his cellmate claimed that Chris admitted to him to killing his pregnant wife by strangulation (she didn't fight back) but that his girlfriend, Nichol, killed the children because, as his flesh-and-blood, he had a harder time bringing himself to do it to them.
There is a lot of contention over Nichol Kessinger's involvement. She distanced herself from Chris and the crimes, insisted she didn't initially know he was married (let alone had children) and certainly didn't condone the murders, let alone participate in them. But her mass deletion of texts, phone records (even when he was at the dumping site for his family's bodies early that morning), and her damning google searches, hint at a different story.
Privately, the local police were highly suspicious of the mistress, but publicly exonerated her totally. (She seems to have contacts, possibly through her dad, and protection of some sort. Despite a somewhat lengthy criminal history involving multiple identities, she avoided prosecution or imprisonment over the years for her various offenses, and her records even expunged strangely).
Reportedly, he eventually came to see himself as the victim of a manipulative succubus inamorata but feels he "still loves her." And he has chosen not to rat her out publicly for her alleged complicity.
At any rate, it appears Chris and Shannon was a romance between sociopaths --- her smart, him stupid. Which makes her interrogations far more interesting.
A very superficial account of the story:
Chris' mama dudn like her dead daughter-in-law:
The girlfriend:
Chris and Shanann were having serious money problems, as it would turn out, and a third child was just going to stretch their finances to the breaking point. She was excited, and he only pretended to be.
He was an idiot for many reasons. He initially denied knowing why they'd "disappeared" in TV news interviews on his front porch, his affect and demeanor totally wrong to the point of being laughable, speaking already of his missing family in the past tense. Once he failed his polygraph (registering a score of negative 18 when a negative 4 is enough to established you're a liar) he lied that his wife killed their daughters via suffocation and he in turn then killed his wife in a rage in exactly the same way.
He finally confessed to all the crimes.
But he continued to assert, with some focus, even after copping to the heinous deeds, that he "never hurt my daughters." Later, after receiving multiple life terms, his cellmate claimed that Chris admitted to him to killing his pregnant wife by strangulation (she didn't fight back) but that his girlfriend, Nichol, killed the children because, as his flesh-and-blood, he had a harder time bringing himself to do it to them.
There is a lot of contention over Nichol Kessinger's involvement. She distanced herself from Chris and the crimes, insisted she didn't initially know he was married (let alone had children) and certainly didn't condone the murders, let alone participate in them. But her mass deletion of texts, phone records (even when he was at the dumping site for his family's bodies early that morning), and her damning google searches, hint at a different story.
Privately, the local police were highly suspicious of the mistress, but publicly exonerated her totally. (She seems to have contacts, possibly through her dad, and protection of some sort. Despite a somewhat lengthy criminal history involving multiple identities, she avoided prosecution or imprisonment over the years for her various offenses, and her records even expunged strangely).
Reportedly, he eventually came to see himself as the victim of a manipulative succubus inamorata but feels he "still loves her." And he has chosen not to rat her out publicly for her alleged complicity.
At any rate, it appears Chris and Shannon was a romance between sociopaths --- her smart, him stupid. Which makes her interrogations far more interesting.
A very superficial account of the story:
Chris' mama dudn like her dead daughter-in-law:
The girlfriend:
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I'm not sure these are serial killers per se -- more like killings over breakfast cereal.
It's the updated story of the Menendez Brothers who murdered their parents in their L.A. living room one evening in 1989 with a shotgun... The public discourse surrounding this case was interesting. Some people asserted the brothers were "lying" about their father's abuse (and were motivated only by greed) and were guilty of both murder and "the abuse excuse" and should therefore be themselves executed pronto; while others asserted the brothers were telling the truth and therefore should be acquitted.
My argument was: why can't both things be true? I assumed the father was obviously guilty, that he'd turned his sons into killers with no values other than materialism, and now they needed to go to prison. (And the mother was probably just another enabler, a wife married to a gay boy-raper husband who stays in it for the resources and the lifestyle).
As J.R. Ewing once said: "It seems to suit a lot of 'em."
By killing the parents, though, Eric & Lyle successfully locked themselves forever in the prison those parents built for them since childhood.
Oh, Lyle -- you Taurus Risings...
It's the updated story of the Menendez Brothers who murdered their parents in their L.A. living room one evening in 1989 with a shotgun... The public discourse surrounding this case was interesting. Some people asserted the brothers were "lying" about their father's abuse (and were motivated only by greed) and were guilty of both murder and "the abuse excuse" and should therefore be themselves executed pronto; while others asserted the brothers were telling the truth and therefore should be acquitted.
My argument was: why can't both things be true? I assumed the father was obviously guilty, that he'd turned his sons into killers with no values other than materialism, and now they needed to go to prison. (And the mother was probably just another enabler, a wife married to a gay boy-raper husband who stays in it for the resources and the lifestyle).
As J.R. Ewing once said: "It seems to suit a lot of 'em."
By killing the parents, though, Eric & Lyle successfully locked themselves forever in the prison those parents built for them since childhood.
Oh, Lyle -- you Taurus Risings...
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The problem with the Menendez brothers is that Lyle looks like an Erik and Erik looks like a Lyle... And that would screw up any kid.
Despite having started this thread, I have a limited tolerance for serial killers -- it's kind of icky, quite frankly. My interest is largely horoscopic... But some of the cases are interesting... For example, I find the events leading up to the murder of Gianni Versace to be sort of fascinating in its splashy-trashy, celebrity-flashy late-'90s way: it took Princess Diana's death a few weeks later to wipe the Versace murder off the front page. (Also, I find it somehow easy to envision knowing Andrew Cunanan, for some odd reason). Ryan Murphy's miniseries had its strong points and, of course, it's drawbacks. (Obviously, it's too long). And, as a film, it should have been self-evidently titled TRAIL OF THE MAD SON.
And then there's the Black Dahlia murder of 1947 in Los Angeles, the most famous unsolved murder in California history. That said, despite a slew of semi-suspects (even Orson Welles!), I find the Dr. Hodel story to be utterly convincing... It just smells true:
Despite having started this thread, I have a limited tolerance for serial killers -- it's kind of icky, quite frankly. My interest is largely horoscopic... But some of the cases are interesting... For example, I find the events leading up to the murder of Gianni Versace to be sort of fascinating in its splashy-trashy, celebrity-flashy late-'90s way: it took Princess Diana's death a few weeks later to wipe the Versace murder off the front page. (Also, I find it somehow easy to envision knowing Andrew Cunanan, for some odd reason). Ryan Murphy's miniseries had its strong points and, of course, it's drawbacks. (Obviously, it's too long). And, as a film, it should have been self-evidently titled TRAIL OF THE MAD SON.
And then there's the Black Dahlia murder of 1947 in Los Angeles, the most famous unsolved murder in California history. That said, despite a slew of semi-suspects (even Orson Welles!), I find the Dr. Hodel story to be utterly convincing... It just smells true:
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