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The choice that American has isn't between an ideal candidate and Trump it's between Biden and Trump. If you don't support the only realistic alternative to Trump you might as well vote for him.
But why does that always work in one direction? I've never even heard Trump supporters make the argument that voting third party or abstaining all together is a vote for Biden.

Sorry, but I simply find them both to be beyond the pale. I'm not willing to co-sign any of Trump's disastrous policies anymore than Biden's.

We had a similar situation in the UK. Many supporters of the Labour Party thought its leader Jeremy Corbyn was too left wing and on that basis refused to support him. The result is that we now have a racist, lying, incompetent clown as our Prime Minister and his actions are literally killing people. The people who didn't vote for Corbyn have to accept their part in creating the disaster that is unfolding here every day. I don't want to hear them say "if only Labour had a different leader I would have voted for them" because we have to live in the real world not an ideal world and whatever they think, by not supporting Corbyn, they enabled Johnson to remain as Prime Minister so they have to own the sh*tshow we are currently witnessing.
But you at least had two distinct choices. In the US, Biden and Trump are more alike than different. In fact, Biden has expressed disdain for the left while befriending neocons.

The time to make the right choice was during the primaries, and the voters chose a racist war monger who hates social democracy to run against a racist war monger who hates social democracy. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Anybody who thinks swapping Trump out for Biden will put America on the right track is incredibly misguided. Biden is the status quo.

To take just your comment on healthcare. You are effectively saying because Obamacare didn't cover enough people everyone shouldn't vote for Biden and enable Trump to remain as President to implement policies which will mean even fewer people will be covered. It's not a sensible position to hold. Learn the lessons of the UK.
I've explained why I'm not voting for Biden. What other voters choose to do is up to them. The sensible position would be to cover everybody, but Biden's loyalty is to big pharma. Is it really satisfactory that 29 million people are without health insurance under Obamacare just because that number increased under Trump? Do the soldiers and civilians that died in the wars Biden supported matter less than the ones that died in Trump's wars? Trump's set the bar so low that some people are willing to defend craven racists and sociopaths simply because they likely hurt or killed less people than their opponent. It's a sham because people suffer either way. By voting for the Green Party, I'm showing my support for a platform I believe in.

Before becoming a complete hack, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell said the only way you can bring a political party to your way of thinking is to show them you're capable of not voting for them. Others may disagree with that strategy, but it's the only way forward for me. I'm done supporting a political party that shuns progressives, yet decided to jump in bed with neocons.
 
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But why does that always work in one direction? I've never even heard Trump supporters make the argument that voting third party or abstaining all together is a vote for Biden.

Sorry, but I simply find them both to be beyond the pale. I'm not willing to co-sign any of Trump's disastrous policies anymore than Biden's.


But you at least had two distinct choices. In the US, Biden and Trump are more alike than different. In fact, Biden has expressed disdain for the left while befriending neocons.

The time to make the right choice was during the primaries, and the voters chose a racist war monger who hates social democracy to run against a racist war monger who hates social democracy. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Anybody who thinks swapping Trump out for Biden will put America on the right track is incredibly misguided. Biden is the status quo.


I've explained why I'm not voting for Biden. What other voters choose to do is up to them. The sensible position would be to cover everybody, but Biden's loyalty is to big pharma. Is it really satisfactory that 29 million people are without health insurance under Obamacare just because that number increased under Trump? Do the soldiers and civilians that died in the wars Biden supported matter less than the ones that died in Trump's wars? Trump's set the bar so low that some people are willing to defend craven racists and sociopaths simply because they likely hurt or killed less people than their opponent. It's a sham because people suffer either way. By voting for the Green Party, I'm showing my support for a platform I believe in.

Before becoming a complete hack, MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell said the only way you can bring a political party to your way of thinking is to show them you're capable of not voting for them. Others may disagree with that strategy, but it's the only way forward for me. I'm done supporting a political party that shuns progressives, yet decided to jump in bed with neocons.
If everyone thought like you, Trump would be guaranteed another 4 years.

Is that your preference, 4 more years Trump rather than a Biden Presidency? Saying you want neither is a cop out because you know the next POTUS will either be the Democratic Party nominee or the Republican nominee.
 

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If everyone thought like you, Trump would be guaranteed another 4 years.

Is that your preference, 4 more years Trump rather than a Biden Presidency? Saying you want neither is a cop out because you know the next POTUS will either be the Democratic Party nominee or the Republican nominee.
It's not a cop out. The DNC quietly supports most of Trump's policies.
 

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It's not a cop out. The DNC quietly supports most of Trump's policies.
It's a legitimate question. One of those 2 candidates will win so even if someone votes for another candidate, who would they want to win out of the only 2 candidates with a realistic chance of victory.
 

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If everyone thought like you, Trump would be guaranteed another 4 years.

Is that your preference, 4 more years Trump rather than a Biden Presidency? Saying you want neither is a cop out because you know the next POTUS will either be the Democratic Party nominee or the Republican nominee.
If everyone thought like you, racist, corporatist, war mongering politicians would continue getting a pass by fear mongering that their opponent is just a little bit worse.

If everyone thought like me, Bernie Sanders would be the Democratic nominee. However, they chose a racist, war mongering, anti-social democracy corporatist instead. Obviously one of them will become president, but that doesn't mean I have to co-sign either of their disastrous, repugnant agendas. I'll leave it up to the public to decide which poison they find preferable.

It's a legitimate question. One of those 2 candidates will win so even if someone votes for another candidate, who would they want to win out of the only 2 candidates with a realistic chance of victory.
Why would I make that choice if I think it's going to be terrible either way? The primary voters chose Biden and Trump as their respective candidates, so let them choose which vile monster rules over us. I will never vote for a lying, war mongering, racist, corporatist scumbag. You can fear monger about Trump all you want, but I'm not going to participate in choosing between two morally bankrupt right wingers. At the end of the day, the lesser of two evils is still evil. These are the voters' choices. Unfortunately, we all have to suffer the consequences.
 
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It's not a cop out. The DNC quietly supports most of Trump's policies.
Yes. And the amazing thing is people continue to dismiss it even when the facts are plain as day.

In their most recent "resistance" move, the Democrats have partnered with the spawn of Satan himself, Liz Cheney. Trump wants to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan, so naturally the Democrats partnered with a neocon to prevent him from doing so. That's why the "resistance" mantra of the Democrats is absolute garbage. They only oppose Trump on superficial terms. He's uncouth, he's obtuse, and he doesn't respect the media or our intelligence agencies. That's why they oppose him. And while Trump's foreign policy has been inconsistent to say the least, it's the moments when he tries to withdraw and deescalate that the Democrats get upset with him. They tried for three years to make the case that Trump was a puppet of Russia, yet during that time they approved his judges, increased his spying powers, and increased the military budget. Democrats are the enemy just as much as Republicans.
 

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If everyone thought like you, racist, corporatist, war mongering politicians would continue getting a pass by fear mongering that their opponent is just a little bit worse.

If everyone thought like me, Bernie Sanders would be the Democratic nominee. However, they chose a racist, war mongering, anti-social democracy corporatist instead. Obviously one of them will become president, but that doesn't mean I have to co-sign either of their disastrous, repugnant agendas. I'll leave it up to the public to decide which poison they find preferable.


Why would I make that choice if I think it's going to be terrible either way? The primary voters chose Biden and Trump as their respective candidates, so let them choose which vile monster rules over us. I will never vote for a lying, war mongering, racist, corporatist scumbag. You can fear monger about Trump all you want, but I'm not going to participate in choosing between two morally bankrupt right wingers. At the end of the day, the lesser of two evils is still evil. These are the voters' choices. Unfortunately, we all have to suffer the consequences.
I just wondered because you spend a lot of your time and energy criticising Joe Biden and the Democrats and very little time and energy attacking Trump and the Republicans.
 

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If everyone thought like you, racist, corporatist, war mongering politicians would continue getting a pass by fear mongering that their opponent is just a little bit worse.
Considering I'm to the left of Bernie Saunders and I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporting socialist that statement is clearly not based on facts. Even Bernie Sanders wants people to support Biden over Trump, does that make his a racist, corporatist warmonger?
 

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I just wondered because you spend a lot of your time and energy criticising Joe Biden and the Democrats and very little time and energy attacking Trump and the Republicans.
Remove the blinders, and you'll see that's not true. When I criticize Biden and the Democrats, it's precisely for the things they have in common with Trump and the Republicans.

I've also literally been explaining why I'm not voting for either candidate. If Bernie was the nominee, obviously my sole attention would be on highlighting Trump's horrendous agenda.
Considering I'm to the left of Bernie Saunders and I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporting socialist that statement is clearly not based on facts.
And yet it is based on facts. It's evident from your posts that you believe voting for Biden is the only moral choice, despite all of the horrible positions he's supported.

I do believe you're sincerely left wing and that Biden doesn't represent your views, but the difference is I'm not willing to compromise my principles just to get rid of Trump.

Even Bernie Sanders wants people to support Biden over Trump, does that make his a racist, corporatist warmonger?
No, but it makes him an enabler of that behavior. He's basically saying it's okay to be all of those things as long as you identify as a Democrat. Yesterday, Bernie tweeted
"While @JoeBiden and I, and our supporters, have strong disagreements about some of the most important issues facing our country, we also understand that we must come together in order to defeat Donald Trump, the most dangerous president in modern American history." Hmm, let's see what some of those "strong disagreements" are:

In January, Bernie tweeted "Let’s be honest, Joe. One of us fought for decades to cut Social Security, and one of us didn’t. But don’t take it from me. Take it from you." This was followed by a video of Biden saying he tried four times to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and even veterans benefits. Do you still believe he'll help America's most vulnerable people?

Bernie also tweeted in January "Joe Biden helped lead the effort for the war in Iraq. He voted for trade deals that cost us millions of jobs. He pushed a bankruptcy bill that has been disastrous for working families. That is not the kind of record that will bring forth the energy we need to defeat Trump." Now Bernie's telling us to vote for this disaster.

I keep hearing about the task force between Biden and Bernie's teams, but that won't lead anywhere. Biden will likely make a few pandering gestures to the left, and then abandon them once in office. Obama's entire 2008 campaign was centered around a progressive vision, and he later admitted that he ended up governing like a Reagan-esque moderate Republican. Bernie's basically a feckless leader who lacks the ability to hold Biden accountable, yet he wants his supporters to vote for him anyway. In his heart, Bernie has to know Biden won't deliver.
 
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Kanye West has given the US and the world a glimpse of what President Kanye would be like, in his first interview since suggesting he'll run for office.

The rapper said he would model his White House operation on Wakanda, the fictional kingdom from Black Panther.

West told Forbes he is "extremely cautious" about a coronavirus vaccine.

He said: "They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can't cross the gates of Heaven."

In what the magazine described as "four rambling hours of interviews", West said he would decide in the next 30 days whether to definitely stand in November's presidential election.


If he does, it would be under the banner of The Birthday Party. "Because when we win, it's everybody's birthday," he explained.

But he said he was serious about the plan. "Like anything I've ever done in my life, I'm doing to win."

However, he added: "When I'm president, let's also have some fun. Let's get past all the racism conversation, let's empower people with 40 acres and a mule, let's give some land, that's the plan."

That's a reference to a 19th Century plan to give freed slaves 40 acres of land after the US Civil War.

What else did he say?
One of President West's priorities would be to end police brutality, he said, and he is against the death penalty.

He also wants to "clean up the chemicals - in our deodorant, in our toothpaste". Asked about abortion, he said he is "pro-life because I'm following the word of the Bible"; while he hasn't developed his foreign policy but is "focused on protecting America, first, with our great military".

Asked about his approach to taxes, he said he hadn't done the necessary research yet. "I will research that with the strongest experts that serve God and come back with the best solution. And that will be my answer for anything that I haven't researched."

He believes he contracted coronavirus in February, but said a vaccine was "the mark of the beast".

And he professed his love for China. "It's not China's fault that disease. It's not the Chinese people's fault. They're God's people also. I love China. It changed my life. It changed my perspective, it gave me such a wide perspective."

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Image caption West said his advisers were wife and Kim Kardashian and Elon Musk
But he would take a radical approach to governing. "I don't know if I would use the word 'policy' for the way I would approach things," he said.

"I [didn't] have a policy when I went to Nike and designed Yeezy and went to Louis and designed a Louis Vuitton at the same time. It wasn't a policy, it was a design. We need to innovate the design to be able to free the mind at this time."

He added: "I'm gonna use the framework of Wakanda right now because it's the best explanation of what our design group is going to feel like in the White House."

He likened his approach to the film, "when the king went to visit that lead scientist to have the shoes wrap around her shoes".

"Just the amount of innovation that can happen, the amount of innovation in medicine - like big pharma - we are going to work, innovate, together.

"This is not going to be some Nipsey Hussle being murdered, they're doing a documentary, we have so many soldiers that die for our freedom, our freedom of information, that there is a cure for Aids out there, there is going to be a mix of big pharma and holistic."

His running mate would be Michelle Tidball, who Forbes described as "an obscure preacher from Wyoming".

What about his support for President Trump?
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West famously revealed his support for Mr Trump after the last election in 2016, and donned a Make America Great Again hat to meet him in 2018.

But he told Forbes he was "taking the red hat off, with this interview".

He has lost confidence in the president. "It looks like one big mess to me. I don't like that I caught wind that he hid in the bunker."

West called on Mr Trump and likely Democratic rival Joe Biden to "gracefully bow out".

Can he become president?
Forbes noted that West "has no campaign apparatus of any kind", and that he will miss the deadline for inclusion on the ballot in many states.

But he wants to get the deadline extended because of the coronavirus pandemic. "I'm speaking with experts, I'm going to speak with [Mr Trump's son-in-law and adviser] Jared Kushner, the White House, with Biden," West said.

The star, who only registered to vote for the first time on Monday, denied that the possible campaign was a publicity stunt for his new album.

"Let's see if the appointing is at 2020 or if it's 2024 - because God appoints the president," he said. "If I win in 2020 then it was God's appointment. If I win in 2024 then that was God's appointment."

In an interview with RealClearPolitics, Mr Trump said the idea of West running was "interesting".

"It'd have to be limited to certain states because in some states the deadline has been missed," he said. "If he did it, he would have to view this as a trial run for what's going to happen in four years."
 

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Sarah said:
One of President West's priorities would be to end police brutality, he said, and he is against the death penalty.
That's the only sensible thing he said. Everything else he spouted can only be deciphered by the likes of Sarah Palin.
 

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Krystal and Saagar: Nina Turner LIGHTS UP Debra Messing for Kanye siphoning black voters claim

Kanye Gives Bonkers Interview On His Presidential Platform
 
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It's a legitimate question. One of those 2 candidates will win so even if someone votes for another candidate, who would they want to win out of the only 2 candidates with a realistic chance of victory.
And here's where I repeat my argument for preferential voting. Under that system you could vote for a third party without wasting your vote. In the event enough people did that, they would win. If not, your vote would flow on to your choice of the two main parties.
That's the only sensible thing he said. Everything else he spouted can only be deciphered by the likes of Sarah Palin.
Ending police brutality is not really a policy; it's an aspiration. Without some detailed plan to achieve it, it's meaningless.
 

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And here's where I repeat my argument for preferential voting. Under that system you could vote for a third party without wasting your vote. In the event enough people did that, they would win. If not, your vote would flow on to your choice of the two main parties.
Yes, and the only party advocating that is the Green Party. Gee, I wonder why that is? Currently, I believe Maine is the only state to have implemented preferential voting state wide.

Ending police brutality is not really a policy; it's an aspiration. Without some detailed plan to achieve it, it's meaningless.
I was commenting on the aspiration itself. Trump wants to escalate the problem, and Biden's criminal justice positions contributed to the militarized police state people are railing against.

That said, it's obvious from Kanye's ramblings that he has no coherent plans. The problem is I don't believe Trump or Biden do either.
 
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It's interesting that those of us who support Biden simply because he's our best chance of getting rid of Trump are being told to "remove our blinders."

WE aren't blind at all.

Most of us would have preferred a better choice, but Biden is the choice we have.

Yes, he is an establishment hack.

But Trump is a dangerous, hate-filled, racist, sexist, vile excuse for a human being who is SYSTEMICALLY dismantling our Constitution.

Just last night, under Trump's direction, Attorney General William Barr decapitated the Federal Prosecutor's Office in the Eastern District of NY. He had already gotten the SDNY and the Prosecutor's Office in DC. All of those offices had active investigations into Trump's criminal behavior. Now they have all been nuetered. In addition, Barr is directing criminal investigations into Trump's political enemies.

This is behavior of leaders in Banana Republics.

We are now living in a dictatorship.

It's NOT happening. It HAS HAPPENED.

This isn't the choice between the lesser of two evils. It's a choice between the survival and destruction of our Republic.

A vote for a third part candidate isn't a protest vote. It's a vote for destruction.
 

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It's interesting that those of us who support Biden simply because he's our best chance of getting rid of Trump are being told to "remove our blinders."

WE aren't blind at all.
That's not what my "remove the blinders" comment was in reference too. I was responding to Angela's accusation that I criticize Biden and the Democrats more than Trump.
Most of us would have preferred a better choice, but Biden is the choice we have.

Yes, he is an establishment hack.
Biden's the choice we have because of the mainstream media's manipulation, and the DNC put their thumb on the scale. Sorry, but I'm not rewarding them for that.

The same thing happened in 2016 when Hillary Clinton became the Democratic nominee. They think they can continue coronating these neoliberals who only serve the oligarchs.
But Trump is a dangerous, hate-filled, racist, sexist, vile excuse for a human being who is SYSTEMICALLY dismantling our Constitution.
And yet I've cited many examples that support Joe Biden being all of those things as well. The difference is many people find it more palatable because it's not as overt as it is with Trump.
Just last night, under Trump's direction, Attorney General William Barr decapitated the Federal Prosecutor's Office in the Eastern District of NY. He had already gotten the SDNY and the Prosecutor's Office in DC. All of those offices had active investigations into Trump's criminal behavior. Now they have all been nuetered. In addition, Barr is directing criminal investigations into Trump's political enemies.

This is behavior of leaders in Banana Republics.

We are now living in a dictatorship.

It's NOT happening. It HAS HAPPENED.

This isn't the choice between the lesser of two evils. It's a choice between the survival and destruction of our Republic.
Of course Trump is a criminal president, but he's also being aided and abetted by the faux "resistance" of the Democratic Party. They support his policies and are complicit in war crimes.

If Biden is elected and we continue to see endless wars, immigrants being mistreated, millions of people without healthcare, poverty level wages and jobs being sent overseas, Wall Street and corporations being rewarded for their greed, and the fossil fuel industry being allowed to continue fracking, will that seriously amount to the "survival" of the Republic? I don't see it.
A vote for a third part candidate isn't a protest vote. It's a vote for destruction.
Oh, the seeds of that destruction were planted decades before Trump took office. People are just hyper aware of it now because Trump has stomped on protocol and decorum.
In fact, the continued capture of our government by Wall Street, the corporations, and the military industrial complex under Obama helped create the conditions that gave us Trump.

Obama made the "grand bargain" with the GOP that allowed them to cut government spending and extend the Bush tax cuts. He went to Flint, Michigan and pretended to drink the water so the residents would think it was safe. He didn't prosecute torturers or the bankers who crashed the economy. He won the Nobel Peace Prize, and then took us from two wars to seven.

Like I said, we were set on a course for destruction years ago. Both parties are complicit in it, and only the oligarchs will come out of it unscathed.
 
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Also, why is it that the media, the DNC, and the Democratic primary voters are never held accountable for their shitty choices? They nominate the most vile cretins in their ranks time and time again, but they're never shamed for it. It's the voters who find it counter productive to replace one racist, corporatist, and imperialist scumbag for another who are shamed instead. Some people recognize these defects in their chosen candidate, but they willingly overlook them in their opposition of Trump. They believe it's morally imperative to replace an evil president with someone who is marginally less evil at best. I think that's an incredibly weak argument, and not the least bit compelling. Only the people at the top will benefit either way.

One of the most disappointing things to come out of this for me was hearing Bernie Sanders say Biden will be the most progressive president since FDR. He's just a gaslighting tool now.
 
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But Trump is a dangerous, hate-filled, racist, sexist, vile excuse for a human being who is SYSTEMICALLY dismantling our Constitution.

This isn't the choice between the lesser of two evils. It's a choice between the survival and destruction of our Republic.

A vote for a third part candidate isn't a protest vote. It's a vote for destruction.

While in general I understand voting for a third party in a rigid two-party system like the U.S. one, this time there is no third party and no third vote. You either vote for democracy, or you don't. It's not what Trump has already done in his 4 years (and will do in 4 more): it's that his autocratic power-grabbing has created dangerous precedents future presidents can use.

Biden is a terrible candidate. Frankly, I think he gains more votes the more he does not appear and especially does not talk. The reason the primary voters endorsed him is that they wanted removing Trump more than anything else, more even than deep structural changes like some other candidates (like Warren and Sanders) proposed.
 
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