Marilyn Monroe: Highlight Edition

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Right. Even with CLEOPATRA, which never quite came together, you can see what he was aiming for. If he had more time to conceptualize and refine his script, rather than being prodded along by a studio already reeling from an abandoned production, he might have pulled it off.

Who knows how much better CLEOPATRA might be if that missing 90 minutes was ever found (in one of those Kansas salt mines has it housed beside a 1973 episode of THE TONIGHT SHOW with guest appearance by Shecky Greene) and we could see additional context --- would Cleo's and Marc Antony's relationship feel less soapy and forced?

All the expensive location footage in Egypt and Rome was cut!

His sons assert that Joe was not a fast writer and had no time to do a second draft, much less a third. He had to write as they filmed. The sons also say Mankiewicz went to his grave imploring them to get somebody to find the footage. But some feel it was destroyed... If only someone had bothered to tell Zanuck that he could sell the full length "the CLEOPATRA you never saw!' to television in a couple of years, "more Rome, more Egypt, more Dick for Liz!" to help offset Fox's losses!

And his brother wrote CITIZEN KANE (Welles offered to buy out Ben to remove his screen credit) so there was something in the water at the Mankiewicz' well -- even the offspring just won't go away.
 

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It is my list and, yes, I love THREE WIVES even more than ALL ABOUT EVE (which still ranks in my top 40).
I was literally thinking about ALL ABOUT EVE earlier today. It's easily one of my favorite classic films. It's a wonderful dialogue-heavy film, and I find it practically flawless in its execution. But I'd say A LETTER TO THREE WIVES is right there to bring on par with EVE. Heck, WIVES is the reason Darryl F. Zanuck greenlit Mankiewicz's EVE, originally titled "Best Performance".

Oh, Mankiewicz, Mankiewicz -- such a good writer.
In September 1961, Marilyn submitted Mankiewicz as a writer-director she'd agree to work with as part of her new Fox contract that gave her more creative control over her films.

Right. Even with CLEOPATRA, which never quite came together, you can see what he was aiming for. If he had more time to conceptualize and refine his script, rather than being prodded along by a studio already reeling from an abandoned production, he might have pulled it off.
CLEOPATRA, from what I can tell, is an utter mess of a film. I've got the DVD, but I've never even attempted to watch the movie. I bought it specifically for "The Film That Changed Hollywood" documentary included as a bonus feature, which is now uploaded in its entirety You-Know-Where.

PS: as it's often been said, I find the behind-the-scenes misfires and gossips of CLEOPATRA more interesting than the film itself. The film's production would make a darn good movie in its own right.
 

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CLEOPATRA, from what I can tell, is an utter mess of a film. I've got the DVD, but I've never even attempted to watch the movie. I bought it specifically for "The Film That Changed Hollywood" documentary included as a bonus feature, which is now uploaded in its entirety You-Know-Where.

PS: as it's often been said, I find the behind-the-scenes misfires and gossips of CLEOPATRA more interesting than the film itself. The film's production would make a darn good movie in its own right.

The doc is better than the movie, but the movie is worth a watch if you have 4 hours to kill. Some of the scenes are actually pretty good, even if the film as a whole doesn't hold together (perhaps because of the cuts). But it looks good.

CLEOPATRA remains the only movie in history to be the biggest box office draw of its year of release yet was still unable to break even. (It made a then-huge $29 million in 1963, yet cost $45 million to make).

Someone suggested Marilyn as Queen of the Nile, but I can't believe that was taken seriously. Joan Collins' LAND OF THE PHARAOHS isn't really all that awful (and it has a great finale!)

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yet cost $45 million to make

A lot of that budget bloat was, of course, bad luck and bad decisions, but I think the project was doomed once Fox decided to make it "epic". The story of Cleopatra is one of political intrigue, romance and personalities. It needs the I, CLAUDIUS approach, not BEN HUR. The DeMille film told the same story, beat for beat, in 100 minutes and a fractional budget.

Massive budgets rarely produce good art or even entertainment. Creativity and innovation spring from restrictions.
 

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Creativity and innovation spring from restriction

So true. Think of how the Hays/Breen code/office thingy, from the mid-'30s and for the next thirty years, resulted in some of the best movies ever made because the filmmakers had to get around it.

Censorship is bad, but sometimes self-censorship (in anticipation of prospective censorship) can be an unexpected blessing.
 

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The doc is better than the movie, but the movie is worth a watch if you have 4 hours to kill. Some of the scenes are actually pretty good, even if the film as a whole doesn't hold together (perhaps because of the cuts). But it looks good.
I might need to make a CLEOPATRA marathon one day. I'd like to see the 1934 Claudette Colbert version, too.

CLEOPATRA remains the only movie in history to be the biggest box office draw of its year of release yet was still unable to break even. (It made a then-huge $29 million in 1963, yet cost $45 million to make).
The movie practically bankrupted Fox in the early-60s. It took years of big hits -- such as THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965) -- before the studio was debt free and operating in the black.

Someone suggested Marilyn as Queen of the Nile, but I can't believe that was taken seriously.
Apparently, they could get more insurance for Marilyn than they could for Liz. But I seriously doubt they took Marilyn's name in the hat as a serious contender.

Joan Collins' LAND OF THE PHARAOHS isn't really all that awful (and it has a great finale!)
One biography says this movie "had all the ingredients for success, yet was a resounding failure".

As a side note, I hear one Fox executive was interested in Oscar nominee Dorothy Dandridge playing Cleopatra, but she was not seriously considered because she was black.
 

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A lot of that budget bloat was, of course, bad luck and bad decisions, but I think the project was doomed once Fox decided to make it "epic". The story of Cleopatra is one of political intrigue, romance and personalities. It needs the I, CLAUDIUS approach, not BEN HUR. The DeMille film told the same story, beat for beat, in 100 minutes and a fractional budget.

Massive budgets rarely produce good art or even entertainment. Creativity and innovation spring from restrictions.
CLEOPATRA does seem to have been doomed from the start. It was nothing but an endless parade of bad decisions.

So true. Think of how the Hays/Breen code/office thingy, from the mid-'30s and for the next thirty years, resulted in some of the best movies ever made because the filmmakers had to get around it.

Censorship is bad, but sometimes self-censorship (in anticipation of prospective censorship) can be an unexpected blessing.
Very true statement.
 

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I remember watching this video some years ago on YouTube, and I felt like I was on the top of the world because I had found it. This was one of Marilyn's few television appearances on an interview program called Person to Person. According to comedian Milton Berle, 20th Century-Fox had a stipulation in Marilyn's iron-clad contract that rendered her unable to appear on television. After her appearances on The Jack Benny Program and some industry-orientated broadcasts, the studio big shots apparently felt that TV was the "wrong medium" for Marilyn, and therefore cut off her ability to appear on the small screen.

But that's all rumor. I've never found anything concrete to confirm it.

In this interview itself, I can definitely see how you came to the assumption that Marilyn is giving a performance here. Her responses seem a little coached, almost to the point that it seems like the questions the moderator asks were submitted beforehand and she and the Greenes sat down and rehearsed their answers. Knowing that this broadcast was done on live television, I don't necessarily believe my own hunch here, especially since the questions being asked could have easily been changed on the spot without Marilyn or her friends ever being aware.

Marilyn's ongoing battles with Fox were approaching their peak (or one of the peaks) during this time. After turning down a few projects, she had recently starred in The Seven Year Itch, which she says in this interview that she hopes will come out a good picture and be a success. The film was, in fact, one of the raunchy comedies that shook up the censorship bureau back in the 1950s, and it sweep through the country and was a smash at the box office back in the summer of 1955. She says that Billy Wilder, who directed her in the film, was one of the most important people in her career. I find that rather odd, especially considering the parts she played in the films she did for him. In The Seven Year Itch and Some Like It Hot, she plays directly into here stereotype, that of a shapely, but seemingly light-headed blonde.

Like I said, her issues with Fox were all in the papers and it gave the press almost more to talk about than her movies or any rumored flings did. I know her lawyers and agents warned her about making too much noise concerning her issues with the studio and her bosses there, so I'd say that's why her replies here are preceded with hesitance. She does seem a little more breathy here than she does in most of her interviews or newsreels, but I can also agree that it seems surprisingly natural, but maybe it's the surroundings. Her appearance visually seems more original and down-to-earth here as well, perhaps as an attempt she and her advisors were making to usher her into the realm of being taken more seriously as an actress.

Marilyn's friendship with Milton and Amy Greene banners a pivotal era in her professional and personal life. As she says in the video, she had met Milton first, and the two struck a friendship. Apparently she was enticed that this man, a wonderful but mostly unknown photographer, was interested in helping her mature as an actress and businesswoman. It was his idea to start Marilyn Monroe Productions, and it seems he felt that Marilyn could saddle her own production company and simply walkout on Fox no matter what she was offered. Her agents and lawyers, however, seemed to want to use her decision to "play" boss of her own company as leverage to get her more money from Fox.

Marilyn, as it seems, was only interested in making good films. She says that she isn't against making musicals and comedies, and that she rather enjoys it, but she never elaborates any further really. Of course, we know she wanted to make more serious and straight pictures, and the only way Marilyn and Milton saw that she could do that was to start her own company. Milton doesn't seem to be a gold-digger or anything, but I can't entirely buy that he was completely sold out to helping Marilyn achieve greatness. Maybe he was, but we all know that he and Amy were more than giddy to ride Marilyn's coattails into Hollywood's elite. Amy, in particular, seems in awe about having Marilyn at her side. Every time I watch this video I giggle when the moderator completely ignores Amy's greeting and says "Hello, Marilyn..." instead. Like, my aside baby, this show's about Marilyn.

The time Marilyn spent with the Greenes was kind of brief. She lived with them through the filming of Bus Stop, but she soon started socializing with intellectuals and it wasn't long before she married Arthur Miller. Marilyn, Arthur, and the Greenes all traveled to England in July 1956, where Marilyn began filming The Prince and the Showgirl, co-starring Sir Laurence Olivier. It was during this time that Arthur became increasingly jealous of Marilyn's relationship with Milton, and within a while, Arthur had tore their partnership up. Once they all returned to Hollywood, Marilyn quietly asked Milton to leave Marilyn Monroe Productions, which invited the eventual demise of the short-lived production company.

There is a lot of detail about Marilyn's relationship with Milton and Amy Greene done for the documentary called Marilyn Monroe in New York, for which Amy was interviewed. There are multiple videos scattered all over YouTube where many people try to pass Amy off as Marilyn's best friend. While I don't necessarily doubt that these two ladies were close, I also seriously doubt Marilyn would have called Amy her best friend. Now, I realize I could be off in my assumption, but I'm sure Amy, like most women, had her share of jealousies that were directed towards Marilyn.

This is a central highlight of Marilyn's life. She's right on the verge of bulldozing right into her desire to becoming a serious, method-trained actress.

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It’s surprising that circa the 50’s she still had a studio contract that let the studio dictate her television work. She obviously wasn’t an MCA client. Her William Morris agent was Norman Brokaw who negotiated Loretta Young’s transition into television so it’s hard to imagine she wouldn’t have had a more favourable contract but TV was probably the last thing they were thinking about for her at that time. Maybe it was a holdover from when Charles Feldman repped her.
 

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My late mom told me that she had a theory as to why MM has lived on 60+ years after her untimely death.. that goes beyond just her untimely death.

1) Men thought MM was sexy, while women felt maternal/protective of her.

2) In most of her 50s movie, she appeared to be a dumb blonde.. but actually was a combination of the 30s/40s screwball blonde wise cracker mixed with the sensual sexiness of blondes of the 50s. She was an interesting hybrid of those two eras... and I would have loved to have seen how she would have fared in the 60s when bed room and more progressive comedies became a thing.
 
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