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Zelenskyy's our bitch: he was willing to negotiate with Russia before the invasion, but the Biden team told him not to, and that the States would back him up. (With Boris Johnson as the conduit??) Two years later, half a million+ people dead and Ukraine is destroyed. Russia's economy is just fine, if not their legions of dead soldiers.

But this is what happens when a gay sex club performer (a "bouncer" who bounced doing something far from the front door) gets picked up by a powerful john who then grooms him for a political career.

We've had that happen in America, too.

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Zelenskyy's our bitch: he was willing to negotiate with Russia before the invasion, but the Biden team told him not to, and that the States would back him up. (With Boris Johnson as the conduit??) Two years later, half a million+ people dead and Ukraine is destroyed. Russia's economy is just fine, if not their legions of dead soldiers.

But this is what happens when a gay sex club performer (a "bouncer" who bounced doing something far from the front door) gets picked up by a powerful john who then grooms him for a political career.

We've had that happen in America, too.

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Yes. It's infuriating that some people still say Russia's invasion of Ukraine was "an unprovoked attack" when the West's fingerprints are all over it (and we want it to continue.)

Now journalist Lee Fang has revealed that the US government is paying Ukraine propaganda outlets to smear journalists and commentators critical of Ukraine war funding. True to form, they're labeling anybody who deviates from the establishment narrative a conspiracy theorist. In other words, discussing the 2014 US-backed coup in Ukraine, the shelling of ethnic Russians in the Donbas, and the fact that many Dems and Republicans have longed for a proxy war with Russia is enough to get you smeared as a kook.

Interestingly enough, one such video gave a definition of a conspiracy theorist as one who "tends to believe that behind events or situations, there are hidden motives that may not be apparent or obvious to others." I remember when that was simply known as journalism! Sadly, pre-crafted narratives pass for journalism these days. Why think for yourself when you can have a millionaire pundit do the thinking for you? As the saying goes, look at who you're not allowed to criticize if you want to know who rules over you.

U.S. Gov’t Paying For Ukraine SMEAR Operation Against Jimmy Dore! w/ Lee Fang
 
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Zelenskyy's our bitch: he was willing to negotiate with Russia before the invasion, but the Biden team told him not to, and that the States would back him up. (With Boris Johnson as the conduit??) Two years later, half a million+ people dead and Ukraine is destroyed. Russia's economy is just fine, if not their legions of dead soldiers.

But this is what happens when a gay sex club performer (a "bouncer" who bounced doing something far from the front door) gets picked up by a powerful john who then grooms him for a political career.

We've had that happen in America, too.

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Putin has probably went through a lot of pairs of boots because of your tongue.
 

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Biden approves Ukraine lobbing American made bombs into Russia -- Putin doesn't approve:

MAJOR ESCALATION: Biden OKs Ukraine Hitting Targets INSIDE Russia! (youtube.com)
Russia has responded by sending warships and nuclear submarines to engage in military exercises off the coast of Cuba.

As people continue fear mongering that Trump is a threat to democracy, dementia-riddled Biden is about to usher in World War 3.

Russia Sends Ships & Nuclear Subs To Cuba!
 

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A panelist on a show in the UK told the truth about the Ukraine War and how the West put an end to a peace deal. Another panelist accused him of pushing "Putin propaganda" and called him a disgrace. When one side of an argument cites facts to make their case and the other responds with ad hominem attacks, it's clear which one is telling the truth.

Immediately SMEARED For Telling Truth About Ukraine! w/ David Kurten - YouTube
 
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The Biden Administration is certainly showing what they think of the American people on their way out the door (not that it wasn't already obvious.)

Putin responded to Biden's escalation by threatening to use nuclear weapons. People love to fear monger about Trump, even though Biden's proven to be just as reckless.

Biden approves Ukraine’s use of long-range U.S. weapons inside Russia, reversing policy - The Washington Post
 
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Ukraine and Russia are now striking each other with intercontinental ballistic missiles (the Ukrainian ones provided by the UK and USA).

So I guess we really are in WW3.

And there's still no one in Washington interested in stopping it.
 

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For all it's worth (and I hope it's a lot) I heard a psychic say a couple of years ago that Russia would wind up saving us in some way. As dictatorial as Putin is, he's not a stupid man. And he doesn't strike me as someone who wants nuclear war -- if only because he's still on the planet himself. And he likes animals.

60+ years ago, the Joint Chiefs asked JFK to greenlight a nuclear holocaust on the Soviet Union (which clearly wouldn't have benefited anybody, but the generals were convinced -- wrongly, as it turned out -- that while the USSR would suffer a quarter-billion deaths, a retaliatory strike would "only" kill 40 million Americans.... So, we "win").

Disgusted, JFK said "no".

But at that time, we had rational men like Kennedy and Khruschev in power -- and they both paid the ultimate price for it, the trigger-happy hawks destroying both of them.

Today, there seems to be nobody in any authority willing to pay the price for ceasing a nuclear apocalypse.

Except, perhaps ironically, Vladimir Putin. So, it's kind of up to him. No one over here seems interested in navigating this deadly mess sensibly. And Ukraine, obviously, is in the middle and helpless.
 

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The idea that the West got involved to "defend Ukraine" was obviously bullshit. Now Boris Johnson and Lindsey Graham are revealing what some of us knew all along:

Boris Johnson ADMITS Ukraine Is A Proxy War! - YouTube

Lindsey Graham: "This war's about money... The richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine, two to seven trillion dollars' worth... So Donald Trump's going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare minerals..."

Lindsey Graham PROUDLY ADMITS The TRUTH About Ukraine War
 

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The idea that the West got involved to "defend Ukraine" was obviously bullshit. Now Boris Johnson and Lindsey Graham are revealing what some of us knew all along:

Boris Johnson ADMITS Ukraine Is A Proxy War! - YouTube

Lindsey Graham: "This war's about money... The richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine, two to seven trillion dollars' worth... So Donald Trump's going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare minerals..."

Lindsey Graham PROUDLY ADMITS The TRUTH About Ukraine War

Now they're coming out and saying the quiet part out loud: we started the war for corporate profits.... so just whatchya gonna do about it??
 
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What a bunch of pro Putin apologists!

The West didn't start the war, Putin did. The Ukrainian people are the victims, not Putin for gawd's sake. Of course Ukraine has a wealth of natural resources and a prized shoreline for tourists and port traffic too. Why do you think Putin wants it so badly? Why do you think Trump is having wet dreams about real estate developments in flattened Ukraine and Gaza?

Of course the West only protects the wealthy. That's hardly the newsflash you're making it. Why do you think the Rwandan genocide happened?

Does any of that however, mean we shouldn't help the Ukrainian people defend themselves from hostile takeover???? Including hostile western interests???? The Ukrainians are the victims, not you and most certainly not Putin! Russian Putin = bad....not good. Get a grip people and remember what you stand for ethically.
 
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LMAO, the West backed a coup in Ukraine in 2014 that saw the installation of a pro-Western government. Some government officials also warned about NATO duplicity.

The lame "pro Putin apologist" smear is disingenuous and completely lacking in nuance. The West and NATO helped provoke the war so they could profit off of it.

The people of Ukraine are victims of Putin and the West, but some are too blind to realize it. Endless wars are never about "defending" or "liberating" an oppressed population.

The West has done everything in their power to ensure a peace deal will never happen. I know where I stand ethically, which is why I'm not falling for the pro-war propaganda.
 
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What a bunch of pro Putin apologists!

The West didn't start the war, Putin did. The Ukrainian people are the victims, not Putin for gawd's sake. Of course Ukraine has a wealth of natural resources and a prized shoreline for tourists and port traffic too. Why do you think Putin wants it so badly? Why do you think Trump is having wet dreams about real estate developments in flattened Ukraine and Gaza?

Of course the West only protects the wealthy. That's hardly the newsflash you're making it. Why do you think the Rwandan genocide happened?

Does any of that however, mean we shouldn't help the Ukrainian people defend themselves from hostile takeover???? Including hostile western interests???? The Ukrainians are the victims, not you and most certainly not Putin! Russian Putin = bad....not good. Get a grip people and remember what you stand for ethically.

Srawwoman argumentation. No one's defending Putin as a "victim."

If that's your argument, then you obviously don't have one.
 

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Of course the West only protects the wealthy. That's hardly the newsflash you're making it. Why do you think the Rwandan genocide happened?

Does any of that however, mean we shouldn't help the Ukrainian people defend themselves from hostile takeover???? Including hostile western interests????
If I don't have an argument, how come neither of you answered the above?

I'm the opposite of pro war; I'm for the innocent victims. Regardless of how we got here, the Ukrainian people are being deluged with bombs and missiles daily. Shouldn't we provide them with the means of defense against Putin???
Or are we supposed to just sit back and lament about all the wrongs by both sides while they continue to be decimated??

Putin doesn't want a peaceful resolution that doesn't involve Russia gaining the territory it sought originally.
 
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Your question was answered. The US got involved solely to defend hostile western interests. "Defending the Ukrainian people" is just the pretense they used to do it.

You don't provoke a madman and do everything in your power to squash any potential peace deals if your goal is to ensure the safety and sovereignty of a foreign country.

The irony is indefinite war funding is largely to blame for their continued decimation. We'd all be better off if people realized that war is about pillaging and profit, not defense.
 
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