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Nine days before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, the BBC released an article in which Putin stated his demand for not going to war. Not surprisingly, he demanded that Ukraine not join NATO because he saw NATO expansion as a threat to Russia. However, NATO rejected his demand. Putin was concerned that NATO wasn't taking Russia's security concerns seriously. Considering NATO expanded after George H.W. Bush's Secretary of State promised that NATO wouldn't expand "one inch eastward," I'd say he was right.

Putin also cited the genocide against ethnic Russians in Ukraine's Donbas region.

When asked about the prospect of war, Putin said: "Do we want this or not? Of course, not. That is exactly why we put forward proposals for a process of negotiations." Apparently, those negotiations failed. I think it's fair to question Putin's credibility, but there are clear provocations from the 2014 US-backed coup in Ukraine to NATO expansion duplicity that led to the invasion. I certainly don't believe that justifies Putin's illegal actions, but I do believe he felt threatened that The West were attempting to use NATO and Ukraine against him.

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You are making excuses to justify Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Putin started this war no matter how much you try to whitewash his motivations.

Also, it's not for Russia to decide who can or cannot join NATO, it's up to the people of Ukraine and the other NATO countries.
 

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You are making excuses to justify Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Putin started this war no matter how much you try to whitewash his motivations.
Unlike you, I don't have to rely on strawman arguments. I literally said "I don't believe that justifies Putin's illegal action," so screw your bullshit misrepresentation. The same goes for your bogus claim that I'm "making excuses" for Putin. I simply stated his reasoning for invading, despite his claim that he didn't want to. As I also pointed out, "It's fair to question his credibility." Is the BBC "whitewashing Putin's motivations" for reporting what he said, or would it be pathetically disingenuous to make such a ridiculous claim?

I try to be fair and objective in these discussions, despite our stark disagreements. Too bad you don't give me the same courtesy.

Also, it's not for Russia to decide who can or cannot join NATO, it's up to the people of Ukraine and the other NATO countries.
I'm aware of that, but the Bush Sr. Admin apparently felt it was in the best interest of US/Russia relations to promise not to expand NATO once before. Considering the US and NATO didn't live up to their end of the bargain, as well as the fact that the US oversaw a coup in Ukraine and the installation of a pro-Western regime, I'd say Putin's concerns were not unfounded. That doesn't justify his illegal invasion, but it does put it in context. Of course, you'll probably keep smearing me anyway because that's what you do best.
 
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Unlike you, I don't have to rely on strawman arguments. I literally said "I don't believe that justifies Putin's illegal action," so screw your bullshit misrepresentation. The same goes for your bogus claim that I'm "making excuses" for Putin. I simply stated his reasoning for invading, despite his claim that he didn't want to. As I also pointed out, "It's fair to question his credibility." Is the BBC "whitewashing Putin's motivations" for reporting what he said, or would it be pathetically disingenuous to make such a ridiculous claim?

I try to be fair and objective in these discussions, despite our stark disagreements. Too bad you don't give me the same courtesy.


I'm aware of that, but the Bush Sr. Admin apparently felt it was in the best interest of US/Russia relations to promise not to expand NATO once before. Considering the US and NATO didn't live up to their end of the bargain, as well as the fact that the US oversaw a coup in Ukraine and the installation of a pro-Western regime, I'd say Putin's concerns were not unfounded. That doesn't justify his illegal invasion, but it does put it in context. Of course, you'll probably keep smearing me anyway because that's what you do best.
No. You were making the case to support the view that Putin didn't want the war even though he started it. It's like saying Hitler didn't want World War II if only the countries he invaded didn't put up any resistance and just agreed to become part of his regime. If Putin didn't want this war he wouldn't have started it and however you try to wrap it up with a mixture of half-truths and indignation, that's the bottom line.
 

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No. You were making the case to support the view that Putin didn't want the war even though he started it. It's like saying Hitler didn't want World War II if only the countries he invaded didn't put up any resistance and just agreed to become part of his regime. If Putin didn't want this war he wouldn't have started it and however you try to wrap it up with a mixture of half-truths and indignation, that's the bottom line.
Half-truths and indignation are something you know a lot about. And yeah, I do get indignant when people intentionally ignore things I've said in order to smear me.

Also, the case I made that Putin didn't want the war came from the BBC's reporting. It's fair to question Putin's credibility, so you can choose to believe him or not.

I've said nothing justifies Putin's illegal invasion many times. However, I believe the US-backed regime change coup in Ukraine and lies about not expanding NATO are equally contemptible. Putin is ruthless and unstable, yet the West did everything to provoke him. Politicians like Adam Schiff openly brag that “The US aids Ukraine and her people so that they can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here.” US officials and pundits also bragged about how the war is good for the US defense industry.

The US claims to have Ukraine's best interest at heart, but that clearly isn't true. They provoked Putin until he invaded and then pretended to be shocked when he did.
 
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From today's Guardian website: "The Department of Justice said it was pulling out of the International Centre for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine (ICPA) two years after the Biden administration joined it with a commitment to hold Putin, Russia’s president, to account for the 2022 invasion and subsequent crimes committed by Russian forces.

The centre was established to hold the leaders of Russia and its allies in Belarus, North Korea and Iran accountable for a category of crimes listed as aggression under international law for undertaking and supporting the attack."

I find this change in US policy really alarming, and could be effectively paving the way to let Putin off the hook from possible war crime charges in the future. Given Putin's previous treatment of his opponents, using nerve agents on the streets of the UK, murdering not just political opponents but journalists over here in England - and just a couple of days ago, Russian agents from Bulgaria were convicted of spying and plotting to murder a journalist in the UK, and based themselves just a few miles up the coast in East Anglia from where I live. This guy is a monster and a tyrant, and convicted felon Trump gives off the impresion he is siding with a like minded villain. Does he really think Putin was justified in invading Ukraine?
The thing that sickens me most is when the Russians blew up the Kakhovka damn that flooded all those Ukrainian villages a couple of years ago, destroying lives and communities, farms, forests and wreaking environmental havoc on the region. It was horrific and devastated communities, and the b'stards just denied it, despite evidence of explosives being found in the damn. (Just what the Nazi's did during the German retreat at the end of the Second World War.)

Putin is an evil disgusting fascist dictator and is totally responsible for all Russia's actions in Ukraine. Whatever happened in 2014, I feel none of his actions since can be ethically justified, whatever one's criticisms of previous US policies or of NATO. It's horrible having lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union and all the positive vibes we had about a new Europe in the 1990s and 2000s, to see us slipping backwards again, and how Trump has casually ripped up 70 years of foreign policy commitments.
Strange to think that if that Crooks guy had aimed just an inch more to the right on July 13th 2024, we wouldn't be having all of this happening now, and it's all down to those gullible voters who decided to elect Mr Trump.
 
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Again, nobody's justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine. I just don't understand why some people don't have the same level of contempt for the US after they led a regime change in Ukraine. Putin's responsible for his own actions, but undermining Western provocation and interference lets the US off the hook for the part they played in this conflict.

War criminals are rarely held accountable for their actions. While Trump's DOJ is being criticized for pulling out of the ICPA, Biden similarly condemned the International Criminal Court (ICC) for issuing an arrest warrant for Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Just as Palestinians are dying from US weapons supplied to war monger Netanyahu, Ukrainians are dying due to a power struggle between war monger Putin and the West. Also like Netanyahu, Putin and his Western provocateurs will never be held accountable. People cite US foreign policy commitments to Ukraine, but the irony is supplying them with weapons is what keeps them living under a constant threat of death.

As for Russia's denial that they blew up the Kakhovka dam, it's worth noting that Ukraine admitted to flooding a village before to "save Kiev" and "keep Russia at bay:"

Damaging their own infrastructure may have been key to the country's survival, but restoring it will be costly. According to the Infrastructure Ministry, more than 300 bridges and overpasses have been damaged or destroyed — many of them by Ukrainian forces. Earlier this month, the World Bank said Ukraine's recovery and rebuilding would cost about $350 billion. About a third of that is related to direct damage to infrastructure, according to the Kyiv School of Economics.

Despite the challenging year so far, Artemchuk says the flooding is a sacrifice he doesn't regret.

Source: Ukraine blew up dam to save Kyiv. Village races to drain flood before winter : NPR
 
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The concerns raised about NATO expansion and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine are absolutely valid and most certainly provide context for Putin’s actions, but they don’t excuse the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation as pointed out repeatedly by @Frank Underwood.

Recognizing the complex geopolitical dynamics—such as NATO’s eastward expansion, the 2014 coup in Ukraine, and Putin’s own fears and ambitions—helps to create a fuller picture of the situation, but it doesn’t mean we overlook the illegality of the invasion or the consequences for Ukraine and its people.

But the woke tend to focus solely on the moral outrage from a puritan pedestal high up in the skies. Outrage is a natural human response to injustice and suffering. However, if it leads to a refusal to engage with the complexities of the situation and dominates the conversation to the exclusion of all other considerations, it limits the ability to understand it or offer any practical solutions.

As long as the one expressing the outrage feels good about themselves from their comfy cushion while advocating for thousands of young men who are banned from leaving the country and may not necessarily want to engage in the conflict getting slaughtered (so no, those who have stayed behind do not all necessarily want to go into the meat grinder).

This is exactly why I have come to detest 2020s “woke” liberalism — too much focus on a) propping up oneself and their moral high ground (of course, from a safe space) and b) attacking political opponents and too few practical solutions for the c) victims of a conflict or the marginalized in whose name they express the outrage in the first place.
 
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The concerns raised about NATO expansion and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine are absolutely valid and most certainly provide context for Putin’s actions, but they don’t excuse the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation as pointed out repeatedly by @Frank Underwood.

Recognizing the complex geopolitical dynamics—such as NATO’s eastward expansion, the 2014 coup in Ukraine, and Putin’s own fears and ambitions—helps to create a fuller picture of the situation, but it doesn’t mean we overlook the illegality of the invasion or the consequences for Ukraine and its people.

But the woke tend to focus solely on the moral outrage from a puritan pedestal high up in the skies. Outrage is a natural human response to injustice and suffering. However, if it leads to a refusal to engage with the complexities of the situation and dominates the conversation to the exclusion of all other considerations, it limits the ability to understand it or offer any practical solutions.

As long as the one expressing the outrage feels good about themselves from their comfy cushion while advocating for thousands of young men who are banned from leaving the country and may not necessarily want to engage in the conflict getting slaughtered (so no, those who have stayed behind do not all necessarily want to go into the meat grinder).

This is exactly why I have come to detest 2020s “woke” liberalism — too much focus on a) propping up oneself and their moral high ground (of course, from a safe space) and b) attacking political opponents and too few practical solutions for the c) victims of a conflict or the marginalized in whose name they express the outrage in the first place.
This has nothing to do with the white person's new definition of "woke" or feeling outrage, this should be about listening to Ukrainian people and what they want instead of handing power to Putin and his puppet Trump to carve up territory and impose their "solution" on the people who have been illegally invaded. The Ukrainians will be the ones having to live under whatever the outcome is, not Trump, not the conspiracy theorists, not the astrologers and not the people who post on this forum. Therefore, it's up to Ukrainians to decide if they think it's a better option to continue fighting for freedom or to live under an oppressive, totalitarian, undemocratic Russian regime.

Some people think a disputed claim that the USA promised NATO wouldn't expand eastwards, even though there is no evidence that this was ever agreed by NATO as a whole (or even considered by NATO), is the key motivation for Putin's invasion and not his declared wish to reform the Soviet Union. Those people who bang on about past NATO commitments conveniently choose to ignore NATO's commitment to support Ukraine as part of the deal which got Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.
 

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I myself are more partial to “21st-century identity-based neo-communism” or “rabid and unhinged puritan liberalism”, but I suppose when the word “queer” no longer means what it used to and we’re all supposed to be fine with it, “loony woke” will do, too. And I couldn’t give a rat’s behind what color the skin of the person who originally invented it or the one who repurposed it was.

Of course the Ukrainians can decide whether they want to continue fighting for the border lines as determined after these 3 sets of territories belonging to various empires were absorbed into the Soviet Union and turned into a Socialist Republic of Ukraine between 1922 and 1945 and then as such given independence in 1991 following the collapse of its far-left regime.

But the Ukrainians will not decide whether the United States continues to bankroll the defense effort entering its 4th year which costs millions of dollars of non-Ukrainian tax-payers’ money every hour and so far hasn’t shown any progress since the establishment of the summer 2022 stalemate. So, in that sense, US will make the final decision, because if they pull the plug, how long can they last? Maybe the E.U. steps up for a while instead, maybe that’s all insufficient. We’ll see.

But Ukraine has been known for decades as a hellhole of corruption, I had been hearing such sentiment repeatedly 30 years ago. Just look at their plummeting population (52 mil to 41) even prior to 2014 or their minuscule GDP (given their size).

No, that doesn’t mean they deserved invasion and destruction. But we also shouldn’t escalate this to a global thermonuclear conflict over a freaking Donbas. Just so woke libs in the West with their fake moral grandstanding can salivate to see Putin and, by proxy, Trump get owned.
 
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And the discussion is further complicated when someone's fibs (e.g., "Boris Johnson never called it a 'proxy war'", "I never see/can-access Wikipedia," "I'm not a woman") get easily exposed and called-out, leaving them mad as a nest of wasps. And more belligerently irrational than usual.

The virtue-signaling never seems to translate into concern for the actual deaths of millions. I can only assume that the reason the Wokies get the genocide in Gaza correct is that the Israelis are, generally, whiter-skinned than the Palestinians... I mean, that may literally be it!

But, at least, kudos for that.
 

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It says a lot when well-reasoned posts are met with smears. Pejoratives and strawman arguments only serve to weaken their position rather than strengthen their argument.

Like most movements, "woke" was corrupted by people looking to sow division. It's not a race issue, as people of all races engage in the weaponization of it.

Of course, the person with a laundry list of people Ukraine shouldn't listen to believes he can speak for them! If only they keep dying, that will teach Trump and Putin a lesson!

The National Security Archive details how Western leaders promised Russia that NATO would not expand eastward. What's "disputed" about declassified documents?

I've mentioned the security guarantees promised to Ukraine by the US before. However, an endless war resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians is not my idea of "security." As Gabriel Maxwell pointed out, the war has been an endless money pit that hasn't progressed beyond a stalemate. IMO, the US should cut their losses and stop contributing to the suffering of innocents. People think they're "moral" for wanting the war to continue, which is also what the military industrial complex wants.
 
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And the discussion is further complicated when someone's fibs (e.g., "Boris Johnson never called it a 'proxy war'", "I never see/can-access Wikipedia," "I'm not a woman") get easily exposed and called-out, leaving them mad as a nest of wasps. And more belligerently irrational than usual.

The virtue-signaling never seems to translate into concern for the actual deaths of millions. I can only assume that the reason the Wokies get the genocide in Gaza correct is that the Israelis are, generally, whiter-skinned than the Palestinians... I mean, that may literally be it!

But, at least, kudos for that.
I wasn't aware that Johnson described the conflict in Ukraine as a proxy war, mainly because people in the UK generally have stopped paying attention to his lies and the other attention seeking nonsense that he spouts. It amazes me that anyone still thinks anything Johnson says should be taken seriously.

I have no idea what the Wikipedia or I'm not a woman references are about.

Of course I'm concerned about the loss of any life whether it is in Gaza or Ukraine and whether it is Ukrainian, Russian, Israeli or Palestinian lives being lost. I am generally against war but I also think that people should have the freedom to live their lives as they choose as long as they are not harming anyone else. I'm not saying that Ukraine should continue fighting, I'm saying they should be allowed to make the decision they think is right for themselves and we should support them because that upholds international law. It's easy for you to say to say the Ukrainians should surrender to Russia to save lives when you personally wouldn't have to live under Putin's brutal, undemocratic, totalitarian regime.

Unlike you, I think the days should be long gone when superpowers play God and carve up territories according to what suited them rather than what suited the people whose land they were taking away. That's what they did to Palestine to create the state of Israel and look at the mess that caused so why should we make a similar mistake with Ukraine?

People should be allowed to determine their own fate, whether they be Palestinian or Ukrainian.

By the way, Israelis, like Britons and Americans, can be white, black or any other race.

It says a lot when well-reasoned posts are met with smears. Pejoratives and strawman arguments only serve to weaken their position rather than strengthen their argument.

Like most movements, "woke" was corrupted by people looking to sow division. It's not a race issue, as people of all races engage in the weaponization of it.

Of course, the person with a laundry list of people Ukraine shouldn't listen to believes he can speak for them! If only they keep dying, that will teach Trump and Putin a lesson!

The National Security Archive details how Western leaders promised Russia that NATO would not expand eastward. What's "disputed" about declassified documents?

I've mentioned the security guarantees promised to Ukraine by the US before. However, an endless war resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians is not my idea of "security." As Gabriel Maxwell pointed out, the war has been an endless money pit that hasn't progressed beyond a stalemate. IMO, the US should cut their losses and stop contributing to the suffering of innocents. People think they're "moral" for wanting the war to continue, which is also what the military industrial complex wants.
To me "woke" means to be alert to bigotry and to call it out when you see it. I think being woke is a positive thing so when people use it as an insult, I sometimes like to question why they think it is a bad thing.

I'm not disputing any documents, I'm differentiating between something that was discussed, considered or proposed with something that was or was not agreed. If NATO agreed it wouldn't expand eastwards, why was no agreement signed by James Baker? Why was it never discussed at any NATO leaders meeting? Why was it never discussed in the UK Parliament? If this was a firm agreement between Russia and NATO, why isn't there documentation describing it in the archives of any of the other NATO countries or an agreement signed by any of the NATO heads of state?

If the Ukraine war ends now without any security guarantees, don't you think Putin would just regroup and then seek to invade more Ukrainian territory, like he did after he seized Crimea? It is that scenario which would create the endless war of Putin banking his gains and then returning to war to grab more territory. Standing up to him now is what will save more lives in the long run.
 

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I believe Boris Johnson is crooked enough to reveal the West's true intentions. Trump's a notorious liar too, but he wasn't above admitting the US was in Iraq to steal their oil.

Nobody in this thread supports carving up territories and conquering land, but we also oppose the continued slaughter of a nation without a solution to end the war.

As for NATO, the fact that there wasn't an official written agreement doesn't surprise me. It conveniently provided them an out when they chose not to live up to their word.

Lastly, woke was originally about addressing injustices. It's since been corrupted and is now used to weaponize identity in order to beat people into submission. For example, people were told they were sexist and racist if they didn't vote for Kamala Harris (even if their reasons for not supporting her were political.) As it pertains to conflicts like the Ukraine War, the woke strip complex events of nuance. They have a rather narrow world view which leaves them picking sides (even when both sides are flawed and corrupt.)
 
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Lastly, woke was originally about addressing injustices. It's since been corrupted and is now used to weaponize identity in order to beat people into submission.

Actually, Woke was always about that -- it was the literal psy-op some of us always claimed it was. And, despite Jane Fonda's assertions a few weeks ago "that 'woke' just means you give a damn about other people!", Wokeness and the Wokies have never been about genuinely caring for the marginalized groups they pretend to be fronting for. It is, and always was, transparently about keeping the underclasses fighting with each other in order to deflect attention away from what the rulers were doing with all the money --- which is the oldest political trick in the book, and Wokeness was just the latest generation of that effort.

Even the USAID files reveal it was a psy-op, to sow division and chaos through the use of pseudo-uber-Leftism to hurt the left.

And it's largely worked.

But, as der Fuhrer himself once said: "Isn't it wonderful for the rulers that the people do not think."

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Actually, Woke was always about that -- it was the literal psy-op some of us always claimed it was. And, despite Jane Fonda's assertions a few weeks ago "that 'woke' just means you give a damn about other people!", Wokeness and the Wokies have never been about genuinely caring for the marginalized groups they pretend to be fronting for. It is, and always was, transparently about keeping the underclasses fighting with each other in order to deflect attention away from what the rulers were doing with all the money --- which is the oldest political trick in the book, and Wokeness was just the latest generation of that effort.

Even the USAID files reveal it was a psy-op, to sow division and chaos through the use of pseudo-uber-Leftism to hurt the left.

And it's largely worked.

But, as der Fuhrer himself once said: "Isn't it wonderful for the rulers that the people do not think."

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That might be what some white people want "woke" to mean but it was never how black people originally used it. Jane Fonda's definition is closer to it's original meaning.
 

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What noble thoughts of addressing the plight of the marginalized begin as — whether class-based as communism or identity-based as “wokism” — and what they gradually devolve into are two very separate things.

Communism, in its inception, also emerged as a sincere and compassionate response to the suffering of the marginalized and the exploited, in that case the working class (who ironically happen to be today’s villains abandoned by the Democrats in the US providing they’re the “wrong” identity).

Communism sought to dismantle entrenched systems of inequality, offering the promise of dignity, fairness, and collective well-being to those who had long been overlooked by the machinery of capitalism.

At its core, it championed the idea of a society where wealth and opportunity would no longer be monopolized by a privileged few, but instead shared equitably among all.

Yet, as history unfolded, this noble vision became tragically distorted. What began as an emancipatory ideal devolved into an oppressive orthodoxy, intolerant of dissent and fearful of deviation. Differing opinions were no longer seen as contributions to collective progress but as dangerous subversions, to be silenced or eradicated.

Borders became walls, not only to keep supposed enemies out, but to prevent disillusioned citizens from leaving, often at the risk of their lives. Political opponents and those arbitrarily labeled as “class enemies”—the bourgeoisie, intellectuals, or anyone perceived as insufficiently loyal—were persecuted, imprisoned, or erased from public life.

My own grandfather, who happened to own a tiny general store type of small business in the center of Bratislava was branded a “capitalist pig,” had all of his possessions stolen from him by the state, and was sent to a work camp in the East for “re-educational” purposes.

In a bitter irony, the movement that once aimed to liberate the masses began to foster a culture of paranoia and performative allegiance. Citizens vied to outdo one another in demonstrations of ideological purity, sometimes stooping to denounce and report neighbors, friends, or even family members over minor acts of nonconformity—a holiday celebration, a private opinion, an innocent gesture. The humanism that once lay at communism’s heart was eclipsed by rigid dogma and coercion, leaving behind a hollow shell of the original promise.

The tragedy of communism lies not solely in its failure, but in how far it strayed from the very compassion and justice it originally set out to achieve.

Much like the early promise of communism, the modern movement centered on identity-based justice has devolved into a hollow performance—where the focus has shifted from lifting up the disadvantaged to crafting elaborate displays of moral purity.

Genuine advocacy eclipsed by a culture more concerned with signaling one’s own ideological correctness than with enacting tangible improvements in the lives of the underprivileged.

When the discourse becomes fixated on attacking opponents, punishing perceived transgressions (“hate speech”), or engaging in public rituals of self-flagellation, it risks replicating the very dynamics of exclusion and intolerance it seeks to dismantle.

The energy once directed toward solidarity and systemic change becomes dissipated in competitive displays of virtue or relentless policing of language and thought (“cancel culture”).

At which point one couldn’t be blamed if they began to question whether all of the leftist ideologies were inherently flawed, utopian and ultimately destined to fail given the constraints of the human nature that is tasked with implementing them.

The lesson history offers is sobering: any movement, no matter how well-intentioned, can be hollowed out by dogmatism and performative fervor if it loses touch with its foundational commitment—to help, to heal, and to humanize.
 
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