Who will replace Biden as the Democratic nominee?

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For someone who apparently has "no interest in running," Michelle Obama's name certainly gets floated around a lot
Yes, which is why I’m surprised she’s not going to be the nominee. When President Obama was said to be holding back his support of Harris I thought that might mean something but apparently not. Harris has raised more money in a 24 hour period than any candidate in history so I guess she really doesn’t need the former president’s endorsement at this point.
 

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Yes, which is why I’m surprised she’s not going to be the nominee. When President Obama was said to be holding back his support of Harris I thought that might mean something but apparently not. Harris has raised more money in a 24 hour period than any candidate in history so I guess she really doesn’t need the former president’s endorsement at this point.
Yeah, it pretty much feels like a done deal at this point. I'm honestly amazed at the speed this has come together. There were rumblings of dissention less than 24 hours ago.

Senator Mark Kelly is even being named as a probable VP pick for her. Kelly is married to Gabby Giffords, the former Congresswoman who was shot in 2011.
 
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I suppose that's good for the party to finally have this settled. However, I know some people are still pissed about how it went down.

Being 78 and the oldest candidate in the race, the focus will now shift to Trump's age and health. Many Republicans wanted Biden to stay in the race for this reason.

We've been thrown so many curveballs in the last month that there's no telling what will happen between now and November. I certainly have no solid prediction who will win.

I really hope there's a debate between Trump and Harris. Harris floundered in 2020 while debating Tulsi Gabbard, so it would be interesting to see how she does now.
 
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I really hope there's a debate between Trump and Harris. Harris floundered in 2020 while debating Tulsi Gabbard, so it would be interesting to see how she does now.
If I had to guess I’d say we will probably get one. As a former prosecutor and now a presidential candidate during such a crazy time of uncertainty and transition you would think she’d want that opportunity. Interestingly in 2020 I thought she debated her position much better once we got to the vice presidential debates than she did earlier on.
 

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Yes, which is why I’m surprised she’s not going to be the nominee. When President Obama was said to be holding back his support of Harris I thought that might mean something but apparently not. Harris has raised more money in a 24 hour period than any candidate in history so I guess she really doesn’t need the former president’s endorsement at this point.
Don't count Obama out just yet. He appears to be one of the head puppet masters who is in control and I wouldn't be surprised if a deal has been made that either Michelle or Deval Patrick will be the VP pick. They don't really want Kammie, she is just the next puppet that will be used to install who they really want to be President.
 
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If I had to guess I’d say we will probably get one. As a former prosecutor and now a presidential candidate during such a crazy time of uncertainty and transition you would think she’d want that opportunity. Interestingly in 2020 I thought she debated her position much better once we got to the vice presidential debates than she did earlier on.
I thought Kamala put in a very strong showing against Mike Pence in the previous VP debate and also against Biden when she was running for the democratic nomination. I think Trump will have a lot more to worry about than he did when he debated Biden.
 

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I thought Kamala put in a very strong showing against Mike Pence in the previous VP debate and also against Biden when she was running for the democratic nomination. I think Trump will have a lot more to worry about than he did when he debated Biden.
I never saw Harris debate Pence, but her critiques of Biden were spot on. That's the best I've seen from her so far.

I only wish she had stuck to her guns, rather than laughing it off by saying "It was a debate!"
 

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I would honestly consider a "protest vote" or a no vote of I lived in a safe state (either way). Unfortunately, I am in a purple swing state and every vote counts. A vote for anyone other than Harris (or whoever the Dem nominee turns out to be) is in reality a vote for Trump.
And here's my argument for a preferential voting system.
I wouldn't be surprised if a deal has been made that either Michelle or Deval Patrick will be the VP pick.
I'm not sure why Michelle Obama's name keeps coming up. There's precious little chance of her being drafted for anything as far as I can see.
 

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And here's my argument for a preferential voting system.

I'm not sure why Michelle Obama's name keeps coming up. There's precious little chance of her being drafted for anything as far as I can see.
Obama definitely has a card up his sleeve by not endorsing Harris, what exactly that card is remains to be seen. Dr. Jill's secret meeting with Deval Patrick in Boston means something as well. Whatever it is, it will be the same damaging Democrat product with different packaging.
 
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Playing the race card when others disagree with you shows who the intolerant racist is.
That lame cliché is typically what people say when they don't want to engage with the substance of the issue. Unquestionably, a lot of the fervour against migrants is fuelled by racism. The USA, like the UK, is a racist country and pretending otherwise is dishonest.

Obama definitely has a card up his sleeve by not endorsing Harris, what exactly that card is remains to be seen. Dr. Jill's secret meeting with Deval Patrick in Boston means something as well. Whatever it is, it will be the same damaging Democrat product with different packaging.
I don't think so. Obama originally wanted a open contest because he thought that would strengthen the legitimacy of the eventual winner. However, all the viable alternatives to Kamala have backed her candidacy so any contest now would be meaningless. I suspect that Obama will give his full throated support to Kamala's campaign very soon.

I think you are overstating the influence that Deval Patrick has on the nomination, and for that matter Dr Biden now that Joe has withdrawn. What on earth could be significant about those 2 meeting? What is it with right wingers and conspiracy theories?
 

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That lame cliché is typically what people say when they don't want to engage with the substance of the issue. Unquestionably, a lot of the fervour against migrants is fuelled by racism. The USA, like the UK, is a racist country and pretending otherwise is dishonest.


I don't think so. Obama originally wanted a open contest because he thought that would strengthen the legitimacy of the eventual winner. However, all the viable alternatives to Kamala have backed her candidacy so any contest now would be meaningless. I suspect that Obama will give his full throated support to Kamala's campaign very soon.

I think you are overstating the influence that Deval Patrick has on the nomination, and for that matter Dr Biden now that Joe has withdrawn. What on earth could be significant about those 2 meeting? What is it with right wingers and conspiracy theories?
As I said, it remains to be seen what will happen.
 
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There's no doubt that the founders of America were racist, and racist policies were the norm until the 1960s. However, is modern day America still fundamentally racist?

If people are going to call a country racist, it would be nice if they were more specific. Are we talking the citizens, the government, or all of the above? It's interesting how racism is based in stereotypes and generalizations, as there is no bigger generalization than calling an entire country racist. The other issue I have is people often talk about racism as if it only comes from white people. Yes, bigoted views of immigrants and people of color are vile, but the growing hatred of white people is just as vile. And yet we're just supposed to pretend that's not a thing while only talking about white supremacists. People often justify hatred of whites by saying "we" are racist towards people of color. Again, that's fighting stereotype-based bigotry with stereotype-based bigotry. Not all white people are racist, yet we're often assumed to be based strictly on our skin color.

As for conspiracy theories, some are much more plausible than others. The reason they exist in the first place is because behind the scenes scheming happens all the time. People are naive if they think otherwise. Conspiracy theories will exist as long as we have a government that operates in the shadows and a media that covers up for them. The fact that Harris has been selected rather than elected to be the Dem party's nominee confirms that. The underhanded methods to get to this point are well documented now.
 
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There's no doubt that the founders of America were racist, and racist policies were the norm until the 1960s. However, is modern day America still fundamentally racist?

If people are going to call a country racist, it would be nice if they were more specific. Are we talking the citizens, the government, or all of the above? It's interesting how racism is based in stereotypes and generalizations, as there is no bigger generalization than calling an entire country racist. The other issue I have is people often talk about racism as if it only comes from white people. Yes, bigoted views of immigrants and people of color are vile, but the growing hatred of white people is just as vile. And yet we're just supposed to pretend that's not a thing while only talking about white supremacists. People often justify hatred of whites by saying "we" are racist towards people of color. Again, that's fighting stereotype-based bigotry with stereotype-based bigotry. Not all white people are racist, yet we're often assumed to be based strictly on our skin color.
Earlier this week I listened to the latest edition of The Rest Is Politics USA podcast and on it Anthony Scaramucci, Trump's former White House Communications Director, described the USA as being a "racist country". So this opinion is not just mine, a black, left-wing Briton, but also that of a white, right-wing American, and I suspect many others too from a wide range of backgrounds. Why do we think this? Well, because just about every metric you look at provides evidence to support this opinion.

In the USA, black people, compared to whites, are more likely to attend schools with less funding per student, less likely to get a job, less likely to obtain a home loan (even when having the same credit score) and more likely to be treated harshly by the contact with police and the criminal justice system and because of healthcare inequalities, are more likely to have shorter life expectancy, experience pregnancy complications and maternal mortality. (Source: The Brookings Institution) That's just the systemic racism even before you get the the racist views and behaviours of many individual Americans. A survey has even shown that America is one of the 10 worst countries in world when it comes to racial inequality.


Even The United Nation special rapporteur on contemporary racism after visiting the USA last year on a fact finding visit said she was "shocked and sometimes appalled by the multi-faceted and mutually reinforcing manifestations of systemic racism she witnessed in every state visited. These manifestations of racism impacted those from racially marginalised groups at every stage of their lives, historically, systematically and institutionally.” (Source: Office of The High Commissioner of Human Rights at The United Nations).

However, the original comment by another forum member, which was supported by me, was in relation to migrants. Most migrants to the USA are from Mexico but a significant number (about a third of those coming from that border) come from Canada. Unauthorised immigration from Mexico is falling while it is rising for those coming from Canada. Canadian immigrants are mostly non-Hispanic white people so they are not used as a political football, they are not called rapists by a rapist former President and no one talks about building a wall between Canada and the USA. So yes, modern day America is still fundamentally racist.
 

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It's true that Republicans often single out Hispanic immigrants with racist, xenophobic language. I don't agree with demonizing them all because some commit crimes. Many of them come here to escape the devastation the US caused to their countries. Many of our own citizens commit heinous crimes as well (like school shootings,) and Republicans don't want to deal with that. I still believe that we should secure our borders, but only because it's vital for people to go through the process of citizenship. That way, they can share in both the benefits and responsibilities of living here. That should go for all immigrants, regardless of nationality. Of course, the process needs to be reformed first.

As for black people being more likely to face adverse challenges, I'm reminded of the phrase "A rising tide lifts all ships." In other words, criminal justice reform, economic policy reform, healthcare reform, housing reform, etc. would go a long way to ensuring the system was equitable for everyone. As it stands now, even poor whites are often impacted by these issues because there's a class element involved as well. If politicians had the guts to implement broad, sweeping changes, things would likely improve for everybody.
 
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